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Type 2 Lost weight at the start of LCHF diet, then stopped. Perhaps I eat too many calories in fats?

Hi, @Briglad. You're not a div, just needed some time to adjust! I'll ask @daisy1 to send you some fantastic info, though sounds like you've worked out that you need to change a lot of things to maximise quality of life. Yay, you. :happy:
 
Hi @Briglad, you might get better info back if you told us a bit more about yourself diabetes wise eg. how long you have you been diagnosed, what are you blood glucose levels, what you eat on a typical day and what carb level you aim for? Sorry about the questions
 
Thanks kittypoker am thrilled to see I have really cracked it and can start with the questions and a positive learning curve - it has been so frustrating standing outside looking in ( Prize divvy actually).
 
In answer to your question do you track what you eat? I recently started I was pretty surprised to see I still eat a fair amount each day even with only one or two meals.. It may be possible that you are having too much . How much weight have you lost so far and how often/much do you eat each day?
 
Briglad said:
Thanks kittypoker am thrilled to see I have really cracked it and can start with the questions and a positive learning curve - it has been so frustrating standing outside looking in ( Prize divvy actually).
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Wally. :p You can ask any question you like and someone will always answer. This is a kind, supportive place.
 
I lost weight happily for the first 24 kilos. and the last 3 has taken me 3 months . Looking over my numbers my combined carb and protein has gone up from 90g to above 110g and this increased my average calories from 1250 to 1450.

I guess it doesn't take much to move from the losing to maintaining range. On the other hand this is the first tie I've ever los 24 kilos then carried on a downward trajectory instead of starting to ut it all back on again. So overall I'm happy to go with the slow pace for now. How much have you lost so far? these kind of platueas don't seem unusual listening to others
 
Hi @Briglad

The title of your thread resonated with me.
When I first heard about LCHF I thought someone was tricking me. I mean to swap low fat carb with every meal that I had been sold by HCPs for years seemed unbelievable. Fat has so much better taste.
I embraced the High Fat element a bit too well, and did gain weight. Suits me better to have ENOUGH Fat rather than High Fat in my diet.
Hopefully you will find your level too.
 
Bb thanks for acknowledgement- I will,Iwill! But I'll follow Alison's advice first. Thanks for nudge AC,here goes: diagnosed in1990,27 yrs ago. Steroid triggered. I am an old girl of 77 now! At last check up mid Dec '16: HBAC1 7.5,BMI 24.1,BP 120/70,waist 35.At that point I had lost a stone in 7 months - at a standstill now. This resume has taken me hours,shocked how diabolical my record keeping has been. Need a cuppa now,! Really chuffed to be talking to you all at last.
 
PS on triple men's 2 Metformin,2 Gliclazide 80,twice daily,1Onglyza 5 and 1 Simvastin.have elminated:pasta,rice,potatoes from my diet but struggling with bread - 1 slice of Burgen a day. Meat and veg for meals and cottage cheese or avocados for lunch. Tea,coffee, diet tonic and 125mls whiskey for fun and 70% chocolate. Also crispbread and butter when hungry and rasps and cream for pud or no sugar jelly.
 
Your diet sounds mostly very good but I am afraid you may have to eliminate all bread for a while and see how it goes. Everything else you mentioned is a green light. If I eat too many calories I will maintain but I need to go both low carb and low calorie to lose anything.
 
Briglad said:
PS on triple men's 2 Metformin,2 Gliclazide 80,twice daily,1Onglyza 5 and 1 Simvastin.have elminated:pasta,rice,potatoes from my diet but struggling with bread - 1 slice of Burgen a day. Meat and veg for meals and cottage cheese or avocados for lunch. Tea,coffee, diet tonic and 125mls whiskey for fun and 70% chocolate. Also crispbread and butter when hungry and rasps and cream for pud or no sugar jelly.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the slice of Burgen (11g carb I believe) but what are the veg? If they're below ground like turnip and carrot, might have to go. Cottage cheese isn't great, full-fat cream cheese is much better. I'll join you in the whiskey. ;)

Not too much chocolate, even if it's 70%. Just a square or two, or buy Chocologic fake choccie which tastes not too bad and is much lower carb. Crispbread is a no-no but the butter is good.

On the whole, not terrible and, hey, 77 is young and vital these days! I'm 64 and still feel 40. :D
 
I thought a BMI of 24 was normal. I would be so happy if my BMI was 24 and so would my doctor but we are all different. Can I ask how much more weight you want to loose?
 
Kittypoker, I

Join you in whiskey! Or vodka!! Wine is raising me these days. Whiskey and vodka =insulin! No stick needed.
 
Kristin251 said:
Kittypoker, I

Join you in whiskey! Or vodka!! Wine is raising me these days. Whiskey and vodka =insulin! No stick needed.
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Or gin!!! Could be rum. Whatever keeps you stable, here's cheers, my dear! :joyful:
 
@Briglad

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After extension testing I discovered that I needed to reduce carbs to stabilise my blood glucose (bg) levels and to reduce the calories to lose weight so I decided not to take the high fat part of lchf too seriously as fat has 9 calories per gram which is twice the calories of carbs or protein.

But of course just reducing the percentage of carbs in my diet subsequently increased the percentage of fat without actually eating any more fat, thats just simple mathmatics.

All I did to control my bg levels and lose weight was to significantly reduce the carbs I ate and eat less of everything, I never actually counted the calories but I was probably eating a third or less of the food I used to eat. At no time did I add extra fat though as when ever I did eat say, extra cheese or cream, my weight loss stalled.
 
Weight loss tends to stall after a while.

I'm at BMI of 22.7 and more or less stuck there.

I eat very little compared to a while back but the weight doesn't come off. I went even lower calorie but apart from being permanently tired and hungry I saw no real change either.

I've upped my eating from one to two meals a day and this has made me feel better but not put on any weight.

I think some serious fasting may well be required to shift more weight.

Oh, and I am in nutritional ketosis (or at least, I was last time I used a Ketostix a week or so back).
 
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