Strange I don't recall us ever having a heated exchange Jack. No one could possibly follow a zero carb diet and stay healthy for very long, so I'm perplexed as to why you thought that I thought LCHF was zero carbs.
I've only had one heated exchange problem with one person here about lchf and that was noblehead who thought it was zero carbs, go figure...
Reading your posts it's obvious that you have reduced your calories and in so doing reduced your carbs, so I don't understand how low carb didn't work for you
I don't know where you get the idea I am a LCHF hater because I'm not my diet is a mixture of low carbs and low fat I do not eat most high fat food simply because I do not like them.. is that not allowed can we not customise it to suit ourself... if that makes me a LCHF hater then so be it
That's about it. I lost 30kg in all, which was about 1/4 of my body weight.So you cut food, lost weight and ate and now eat to your meter. Low fat diets work and if your meter is ok on the 2000-2500 you do eat. There is no problem.
You may even have found you can eat more carb now without the meter spiking after losing weight
As I said in another post to you I don't hate LCHF I customise it to suit me and that is all the matters to me. ...I have certainly never said I hate it or rubbished itwell i felt it to be an attack, as you are so anti low carb im not surprised you didnt, your posted you removed due to no responses regarding the low fat diets recently wasnt an attack, it was a positive post and its a shame no one replied, i love hearing success stories regardless of method, but you, douglas and a few others seem to have a hatred for low carbing, its like a quest to rubbish the whole idea, i dont get it, sit here and tell me honestly you dont hate lchf and are irritated by it, for why? its demented, i hate lo fat diets because everyone i know has and is doing one with dire consequenses so yes indeed i think its a terrible thing, lchf isnt for everyone i agree and thats fine, tell me how great low fat is, and ill carry on banging my drum, who knows someone may even be helped along the way by one of us, the evidense is overwhelmingly on the side of lchf as far as i see it
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But you have Annie. You have said we shouldn't keep pushing it just because it suits so many of us. It's the only thing that has helped me so that's what I used to tell new members to the forum. I can't tell them about diets I don't have faith in. I don't bother any more though.As I said in another post to you I don't hate LCHF I customise it to suit me and that is all the matters to me. ...I have certainly never said I hate it or rubbished it
That sounds exactly like me except I got to a certain amount of fat and went more carb to see where I could take it. Didn't find a limit but have gone back down to 150g as I seem happy there. It allows me to have an occasional bread and butter pudding at a restaurant (or eat the occasional pound of peanuts uncontrollably again and againI can only speak for myself. Initially my diet was 800 to 1200 calories, minimal fat, some protein. So on ratio, out of the 200g of food that made up the carbs and protein, based on the fact most food was veg or salad, it would by definition a high carb, high fibre. Based on quantity, it was low everything. I put some fat back in when I wanted to maintain my weight, and generally upped the portion sizes. It worked for me, I didn't try to label it, I just ate it and I'm reporting back now.
Well, an update after a long while.
Probably more of a blog to cover the story so far really.
I’m still here, and still definitely not on the LCHF. I hopefully will never need to be.
I hit my target BMI of 25 around Easter this year, by counting calories, and avoiding fat and the wrong carbs. So, after being diagnosed, it would be good to say I’m twice the man I used to be, but I’m actually three quarters the man I used to be. 4 stone down from the 16 to 12.
Not too difficult until the last 7 pounds, when I seemed to stall until I made a real push at counting the calories, and reducing them down further.
Then, I thought I looked too thin, so allowed my weight back up by the 7 pounds I just lost.
But I then tried low carbs as a variation on the calorie counting, which was a complete disaster as a lifestyle choice.
I found I very quickly lost most of my ability to cope with any change in diet that took carbs up even by a small amount. It was almost as if I stopped producing insulin, and then had to take time to turn it back on. Bloods all over the show.
So, unless I spent my life being a slave to carb counting, and panicking at the sight of a piece of white toast, it simply wasn’t to be. I couldn’t see any point in letting diabetes ruin my life this way either. I want to be normal. Well, as normal as possible.
It also wasn’t helped by the hobby I’d taken up, - scuba diving.
Fitting diabetes in was fine, but with others that ate anything you could cook with a kettle, it wasn’t easy.
So, a diet of Pot Noodle, Instant porridge, cup a soup, toast, maybe fruit, or fish or burger, and chips, if the van by the quayside was open wouldn’t work if my pancreas was permanently asleep until a week next Tuesday.
So, back onto a diet that provided some exercise for my pancreas as well taking care of the rest of me, and one that didn’t induce panic at the thought of white flour by the thimbleful.
Also my ongoing house restoration meant times without a fridge, or more than a one ring cooker, and a kettle. So, tins and dried food were the order of the day, and veg that wouldn’t go off overnight. It also meant I was away from home, and importantly, away from the gym. Exercise is also on the backburner until I finish in the autumn.
So, basically I’m still on the calorie counting, healthy(ish) balanced diet, but maybe accepting it was balanced over an extended period at times. (And a lot higher calories now, then when I was trying to lose weight)
This regime was supported by my GP, and a lot of blood tests to keep on top of the diabetes, and my ongoing response to it.
I’m mainly between 5 and 6 in the morning and a good steady 5.3 to 5.4 HBA1c for the past year. Tested every three months, as my meds have been gradually reduced to one 500mg Metformin and one 50mg Sitagliptin as my control improved.
I took to testing myself about 30 mins and again 2 hours after food, and I’m normally a maximum of 8 after most ‘bad’ foods, although I did hit a ten after a (very) sweet and sour soup, and a caramel fudge cornetto. Normally lower though.
Today I’m 5.8 after (a lot) of pizza and muffins. White flour, almond flour, soya flour, chickpea flour, in varying amounts in the mix. (Birthday, so again, the diets a bit on the backburner)
And so onto my latest test.
A HBA1C of 5.4 this week.
But, it was after my last reduction in medication, and coming near enough completely off my diet.
So, a ‘warts and all’ test.
The worst possible scenario for me.
Mainly due to a two week holiday in the Mediterranean. A program of deep dives to 100ft, night dives, a lot of pasta, crisps, ice cream, beer, wine, but then also still interspersed with ‘healthy food’, with salads, local sausage, cheese, white bread, but now in a reasonable amount, not the loaf I used to eat. But not entirely counting the calories as I normally do.
Preceded by a weekend diving in France, with the customary French bread, cheese, pate, and other bad stuff.
So, a really ‘heavy’ carbs diet, ‘junk’ food, and the last holiday until Saturday, then the blood test Monday.
And still 5.4 HBA1C, with a fasting level of 6.5. Sunday still counted as the holiday to me, so a bit higher than normal and also taken fairly late on in the morning, after a bit of work, so consider a liver dump in that, and from a well primed liver. Certainly not a figure I massaged to look good anyway.
But onto the downside as well.
I stopped the statins three months ago.
I have increased across the board, so I’ve been back in today to discuss it.
Trigs up from 0.6 to 1.6
HDL steady at 1.6
LDL 3.4 to 5.1
I stopped due to shoulder pains, not helped by the colder dry suit dives in the uk.
Maybe statins, maybe not, but the diving is more important.
But, today I agreed to go back on, and switched from Simvastatins to Atorvastatins, but half the dose.
So, we’ll see how it goes.
But, would I swop a ‘normal’ diet, drinking, eating when I want to, not worrying about what I eat so long as I’m sensible, keeping my bloods down to normal, enjoying diving, jetskiing, visiting the waterpark, for anything else?
No!
I’m not going to be a slave to diabetes, in any form.
I’m now advanced open water qualified, dry suit qualified, nitrox qualified, I have regular annual medicals that show I have absolutely zero diabetes complications, or any other health problem, and blood sugar levels well in the normal range. I can eat to enjoy, and keep levels well down, or if I need to alternatively just to stay alive, on whatever is available, without worrying my body can’t cope.
I would never have done these sports before, I was too fat and out of condition. I wouldn’t have jetskied, I wouldn’t have got to the top slide in a waterpark, I wouldn’t have survived the Mediterranean at +30c for two weeks.
So diabetes? Maybe not the best thing that happened to me, but certainly now the best result in my life.
I figure I have the support of my GP, they want regular three month blood tests to ensure I’m keeping control, so by November, I want my cholesterol back into the good numbers, then I’ll look at reducing my Sitagliptin down to zero.
And as to LCHF, I’m afraid, not for me. A sensible diet yes, I now need to fine tune it still to bring my cholesterol down again, but it still needs to be one that lets me live the life I want to, and not just replace one restriction with another set that limits my opportunities.
And after I finish this next house, it's time to semi retire, and live off the income, so even more overseas travel and diving, and grabbing food where I can.
I think more fresh veg, meat, is in order, but for me, relaxing over what I eat is the key.
But that is far from sayingBut you have Annie. You have said we shouldn't keep pushing it just because it suits so many of us. It's the only thing that has helped me so that's what I used to tell new members to the forum. I can't tell them about diets I don't have faith in. I don't bother any more though.
But you have Annie. You have said we shouldn't keep pushing it just because it suits so many of us. It's the only thing that has helped me so that's what I used to tell new members to the forum. I can't tell them about diets I don't have faith in. I don't bother any more though.
But that is far from saying
Yes I probably have said that because it is true it is pushed on here as the only suitable diet but thats not saying I hate it personally I have customised it to suit me as I imagine everyone does if they choose to do it
Unlike many people here though I also think about the people it does not suit People come here for diet advice but are never told there are options to LCHF and that there are other diets to be considered if they can't or don't want to do LCHF for whatever reason.. medical conditions etc
You have to be brave like Douglas on this forum to say you eat any other way but LCHF because you only get knocked back about it and told you hate LCHF and are discouraging people from doing it. Is that the way a forum should be totally biased to one diet only no I don't think it should be
You can get bile salts to substituteI cannot have HF because as another poster reminded me (I had forgotten) I do not have a gall bladder (the storage is used to break down fat overloads) my gall bladder had 2 stones in it and they filled the whole thing and killed it (gangrenous). I had a pacemaker inserted early this year and I had all the heart tests and family history examined and I got some stern warnings re my chances of hardened arteries (build up of plaque (which killed my brother). I also get gout and gout sufferers have it all the time but diet sends it over the top and it start to crystalise. When a crystal forms or lodges in a joint it agravates the joint and the joint tries to lubricate the joint with fluid (swelling and heat).and of course pain, I was also getting low on potassium, and trending lower towards danger levels.
Those are my diet considerations that I know about re. my bod and that list does not even include diabetes.
So I strongly suggest that before going on any radical diet we should all seek medical advice.
Apart from that I do not have an issue with HF, but what puzzles me is why anyone would choose eating extra grease when extra veg will do the job. The only thing knowing about the LCHF has done for me is made me a bit slacker with grease in my diet which might end being my downfall like my brother.
Re weight loss my medical advice is slower is better because we have a better chance of keeping it off..
Re carb tolerance my medical advice is it gets better with weight loss and then I should increase my carbs..
Unlike a lot of posters in here, I value my medical advice and I pay for it, it is not part of a free service.
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