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low carb making me tired!

jahusba said:
Set alarms for water too, you need to drink plenty with this way of eating
Jane
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That's a great idea, Jane. If I set my phone alarm to go off every hour or so, when it goes off I can get myself a pint glass of water to drain before the next hours alarm goes off!
 
......Because you can't beat the good old High carb,low fat,low protein diet to achieve lower blood glucose levels.
 

I dont think it is very clever to ridicule someone elses dietary beliefs is it? In fact I thought it was against forum rules, but perhaps they dont apply to low carbers. If you disagree with someone elses views then explain why you disagree perhaps but dont ridicule them.
 

Not a pint glass - you'll soon get fed up of it. I try to drink 2 litres of water every day, in addition to whatever else I drink. I'm at home mostly, so I fill a 2 litre jug every morning, put it with a glass next to the kettle, and expect to have emptied it by bed time. Fortunately our tap water tastes great. I just grab a drink every time I go into the kitchen.

If you're at work, fill a 1-litre bottle and take it with you. Drink that through the day - it should be empty by home time. Get the rest before you leave home and in the evening.

Atkins recommends 2 litres a day with his diet.

Viv 8)
 
I certainly Wasn't ridiculing BUT as we are intolerant of carbs,why would a diet high in starch be useful for a diabetic? isn't that exactly what the NHS is recommending currently with poor results,wouldn't you agree Sid that if you were still eating a high starch diet,that you wouldn't be achieving the good control you have now?
 

Thanks Viv, I'm at home most days too, so filling up a jug each day is no problem. We're off camping on Sunday and my husband and I each have one of those 2L water packs that goes in a knapsack, so I'll be able to keep it up on holiday, too.
 



I was actually assuming the original comment was spam.
 
It Could well be rebecca,I was thinking that poster may have had a personal agenda too as it does happen here from time to time sadly which is annoying as this is a support forum but that's the internet for you! 8)
 
Paul1976 said:
isn't that exactly what the NHS is recommending currently with poor results,wouldn't you agree Sid
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No I would not agree the NHS is NOT currently recommending a vegetarian diet.....

Paul & Becca I suggest you both read the 'Ethos and Forum Rules'




Read the Rules here:
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I'm not saying in any way people who eat above 100g's of carbs a day (Which is not high)will have hyperglycaemia,BUT that people who use a HIGH starchy carbohydrate diet AND who are are diagnosed as Glucose intolerant/pre-Diabetic OR have DM could run into problems in the short and long term,which I thought was accepted, or do we not need to reduce the amount of starchy carbs in our diet at all to gain control sid?
 
Just to add Sid,the original post was made in the Low carb diet section of the forum and there is a a non low carb diet section of the forum,as you know, that Elsden could have posted their thinking in to be fair.
 

Diabetics generally reduce their carbohydrates as it's that food group that primarily is responsible for dangerous blood sugar levels. What is a safe and healthy diet for non diabetics can be anything but for a diet only T2 diabetic or one on minimal medication.

As an indication of recommended carbohydrate intake the ADA (American Diabetic Association), one of the worlds leading authorities from which much of the UK and other countries guidelines take their lead recommends T2's have an RDA of 130g / day or roughly a 25% intake as carbohydrates. At that level then by definition there is 75% of a diabetics intake to account for so naturally that 75% has to be split between fat and protein. Unless you are recommending a very high protein diet then by sheer logic a 130g / day ADA RECOMMENDED diabetic diet will be a high fat one. Many of us find even 130g / day too high to keep our levels safe so for example I average around 60g / day.

If you are worried about that then perhaps you should look at some of the forum members signatures including my own. To keep my blood sugar levels safe my diet is roughly 15% carbohydrate 65% fat and 20% protein yet my Cholesterol levels are normal and healthy. In fact since adopting those proportions my Cholesterol levels are far better than when I was on a starchy low fat diet which I consider GAVE me T2.

This kind of diet (maybe no quite as extreme as mine) is really no different to what everyone ate prior to the massive increases in consumption of "starch" since the 1980's. There are very good arguments which you will find on other threads why the majority of us in some way blame starch and "low fat" for our diabetes.

I'm sorry advocating "starch" to a diet only T2 is like telling an alcoholic that drinking vodka is fine. It's not. To give you an indication of how "not" then if I eat my than 25g of rice (a level tablespoon) or a similar amount of pasta or more than one round of wholemeal bread or more than around one and a half new potatoes then my blood sugars spike massively dangerously and stay there hours. I know this because I test my blood sugars and can see the results. Many T2's have my tolerance and even the strongest may only manage 2 or 3 level tablespoons of rice or a similar starchy food.

Adopting a low carbohydrate regime is not an optional life style choice for many of us but a necessity that stops us going blind, losing limbs or stewing our internal organs in sugar.

I notice you are not diabetic yourself, if you continue eating lots of starch then I would suggest you will have a very good chance of joining me in the T2 club so please stop giving what many of us would consider dangerous advice to forum members until you have researched the subject some more.
 
I find this remarkable is your doctor surprised that an increase in dietry fat has brought down your cholesterol? Ok I'm sure you eat a lot of the healthy fats but it's just been drummed into people over recent decades that high carbs lead to lower cholesterol
 

My DSN was speechless as she thought the regime I was on was insane.

After my diagnosis in Dec 2011 with an HbA1c of 11.3% I swapped to low carb / high fat primarily to get my blood levels back under control. I had no doubts that would work. I did have doubts as to what that diet would do to my cholesterol however I needn't have worried as effectively within 3 months I had both reduced the total to less than 4 and had significantly improved my good cholesterol. Obviously I continued to avoid trans fats but within that increase to 60% I made no distinction between saturated and unsaturated fats as for the first 3 months getting normal blood levels far outweighed any risks of increasing fat.

When I got my 3 month results which knocked 6% of my hBA1c and normalised my Cholesterol my DSN was so impressed she insisted I book an end of the day 2 session appointment with the practice GP who is also a diabetes specialist to tell him what I had done.

He was not surprised and just said he knew "low carb" worked as he had a friend who did it and that roughly 3% of patients he saw did what I did and it worked for them. His attitude was low carb is great but make sure you do it in a sustainable way.

I specifically showed him what I was eating and his reaction was "just keep doing it as its put your diabetes in remission".

The only thing that irritated him was that the diet had also reduced my blood pressure to a level where he couldn't up my Ramipril blood pressure pills to max strength. He wanted to do that simply because he could see a low carb diet may end up a higher protein diet and therefore can be a bit hard on the kidneys. He is also the kind of GP who thinks everyone should take ACE inhibitors and statins as they are good protective things anyway. I was worried he was going to nick my Metformin but he said "no way" as even if it was pretty pointless for blood levels on my low carb diet it would be protecting my heart.
 
I worked in quite a manual job, went to the gym and was playing rugby and did the old low carb thing.....was constantly tired, hba1c was always around 6.5 so talked to my nurse, she suggested I mix, take carbs on seperate days to proteins, like the slimming world diet, lo and behold, energy levels back and lifes good and no huge weight gain. She trusted me enough to try these things and it worked for me, but everyone's diabetes is slightly different to another, stress, job, excercise, eating habits all count, but you dont need me for that!

I am type 2 and my Hba1c is still below 7 and have had no medication change for 9 years, and still eat chocolate every now and again.
 

How long did you try to low-carb for?
 

I eat an 80% fat diet, and my cholesterol is too low...

In the words of Dr Richard Feinman:
"Dietary carbohydrate restriction is the single most effective method (except for total starvation) of reducing triglycerides, and is as effective as any intervention, including most drugs, at increasing HDL and reducing the number of small-dense LDL particles. Beyond lipid markers, carbohydrate restriction improves all of the features of metabolic syndrome. "
https://rdfeinman.wordpress.com/2012/03 ... 15-theses/
 
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