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Low carb Newbie and I feel terrible - is it carb 'withdrawal'?

jack412 said:
heathernlass spiker robert and a few other T1's LCHF

I know it doesn't make sense but the fat doesn't make you fat..it's the carbs
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Dont know where you get that from Jack any calories you dont burn will be laid down as fat, it doesnt matter whether the calories are from fat, carbs or protein if you eat too much youll put on weight.

I believe Barry Groves or Gary Taubes, I cant remember which one, wrote about fat not counting in making body fat, he was roundly castigated for it and removed that section from his book from the second edition as it just wasnt true.

Dont believe everything thats written by diet gurus, most of it is fiction or at best just cherry picked data.
 
I think that others meant to say that the fats that are used to replace the the reduced carbs on the LCHF diet wont make you fat. ie you still need to eat within a certain calorie level. Its simply a matter of energy from the fats now replacing the much diminished carbohydrate intake.
 
Sid Bonkers said:
Dont know where you get that from Jack any calories you dont burn will be laid down as fat, it doesnt matter whether the calories are from fat, carbs or protein if you eat too much youll put on weight.
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That's true, but some calories burn more easily than others. All calories are not equal that's why many of us can lose weight with added fat.
 
s_ali83 said:
Hi Ellie.

I understand how difficult it is and I am just like you about the carb and blood sugar but don't worry I have worked it out by myself what to eat and which foods that you need more energy and not to feel hungry for longer without raise blood sugar. I have tested my blood sugar with a glucose monitor after meal, I promise you that it's actually work. I have so many recipe ideas including breakfast, main meal, snack and even sweet, I will write you tomorrow, a full recipe and meal plan. :)

I hope you are well and check my message tomorrow.

Shahid Ali
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Could I have a copy of the meal plan too as I am a total newbie and have no idea what I should be having. I am Type 2 and not managing my results at all. on metformin and glicazide
 
Ellie-70 said:
Thanks again Pasha for your help,
Part of the reason I am going too heavy on the meat is because it doesn't take any carbs from my daily carb allowance as I want to be able to have some treats like a little dark chocolate, some nut butter, berries etc. This morning I made pancakes from ground almonds and Greek yoghurt and they were really nice. Fried in butter of course! I had a few raspberries with them. I can't remember the carb content as I am not at home now but I did write it down. I also drank half a tsp of salt in warm water - horrible!!!
Thanks again,
Ellie
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Ellie, if you're still having trouble getting the extra salt, try adding some to diluted sugar free squash. I'm not an enormous squash fan, but I need to drink lots here in the tropics, so do have it. I find the salt "disappears" in the diluted squash. In the summer months, I find I have to do this most days, but then I'll be perspiring profusely, due to the summer humidity.
 
AndBreathe said:
Ellie, if you're still having trouble getting the extra salt, try adding some to diluted sugar free squash. I'm not an enormous squash fan, but I need to drink lots here in the tropics, so do have it. I find the salt "disappears" in the diluted squash. In the summer months, I find I have to do this most days, but then I'll be perspiring profusely, due to the summer humidity.
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Thanks AB, I will try that. Salty water is not my favourite tipple :)
 
if you feel better in an hour or two after the salt, that's the reason, if not it's
Sid Bonkers said:
Dont know where you get that from Jack any calories you dont burn will be laid down as fat, it doesnt matter whether the calories are from fat, carbs or protein if you eat too much youll put on weight.

I believe Barry Groves or Gary Taubes, I cant remember which one, wrote about fat not counting in making body fat, he was roundly castigated for it and removed that section from his book from the second edition as it just wasnt true.
Dont believe everything thats written by diet gurus, most of it is fiction or at best just cherry picked data.
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no one would agree with that, of course with a high carb diet, you have high fat as well..you will get fat. the insulin will store the excess.
but 5,700 calories for a month on LCHF didn't put on the expected weight
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam...ce-5000-calorie-carb-challenge_b_3931307.html
I should have put on 7.3kg, However, after those 21 days I put on 1.3kg but lost 3cm from my waist, a 6kg discrepancy

but 900 calories extra fat on lchf doesn't seem to ?
Dr bernstein tried to fatten a few of his skinny patients on more fat..it didn't work, he had to add protein [they were on carb restriction]
http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/17226/eat-fat-grow-thin/
"I had patients on a low carbo diet, all of whom were taking insulin and they all wanted to gain weight. So I gave them extra fat in the form of olive oil to the tune of a shot glass in the morning and a shot glass in the afternoon. This was 3 ounces of extra calories, which boiled down to 900 extra calories a day. Over the course of 6 months not one of four patients gained a pound. So giving fat on a low carbo diet will not make you fat. You will metabolize it. It’s been proven subsequently. On a low carbo diet you metabolize your fat, rather than store it. - See more at:

This gives a simple overview to how it works
For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. They don’t give up easy and it’s biochemical

 
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Fi2000 said:
I'd also be interested in seeing you meal plan, please
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Kiara5 said:
Could I have a copy of the meal plan too as I am a total newbie and have no idea what I should be having. I am Type 2 and not managing my results at all. on metformin and glicazide
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Hello, Kiara. Sure I will send you a copy of meal plan, I still not finish the writing yet as I was busy today, I will let you know. Don't worry too much.
 
Two things... if you stopped all grains, it could be withdrawal symptoms from wheat... the more likely cause is a potassium deficiency. I increased potassium rich foods - (nuts - ( http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-012122000000123000000-w.html?maxCount=44 ) and a minimum of a 1/2 to whole avocado a day, and began taking a 99 mg. potassium supplement 1 to 2 times a day until I felt better over a period of days or a week. If it's a sodium deficiency, a 1/4 teaspoon of salt in hot water dissolved by stirring may have an immediate effect. Wouldn't hurt to add one magnesium rich food a day too. This diet really can mess with our electrolytes in the beginning. Our body adjust over time.

Gotta go to work... do a search on potassium rich foods. :)
 
Winnie53 said:
Two things... if you stopped all grains, it could be withdrawal symptoms from wheat... the more likely cause is a potassium deficiency. I increased potassium rich foods - (nuts - ( http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-012122000000123000000-w.html?maxCount=44 ) and a minimum of a 1/2 to whole avocado a day, and began taking a 99 mg. potassium supplement 1 to 2 times a day until I felt better over a period of days or a week. If it's a sodium deficiency, a 1/4 teaspoon of salt in hot water dissolved by stirring may have an immediate effect. Wouldn't hurt to add one magnesium rich food a day too. This diet really can mess with our electrolytes in the beginning. Our body adjust over time.

Gotta go to work... do a search on potassium rich foods. :)
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Hello Winnie,
Thanks for posting. Thankfully I feel a lot better today. I have stopped grains but I do eat nuts and seeds. In fact I made a batch of Ginger Biscuits with ground hazelnuts and linseed this evening. I may use a supplement for a month or so though until I feel I am over the transition to lchf. I took more salt tonight, I sprinkled it over half a tomato and it was a lot easier to take than drinking brine. I do buy vegetable stock cubes called Kallo which have a good flavour so I might have a cup of stock tomorrow.
Thanks for the info.
Ellie
 
Yes, I started with 1/8 teaspoon salt in 8 oz hot water, and didn't like it the first 2 or 3 times - (I've never added salt to my food). Now I can barely taste it, so prefer 1/4 teaspoon. This surprises me. :)
 
jack412 said:
if you feel better in an hour or two after the salt, that's the reason, if not it's

no one would agree with that, of course with a high carb diet, you have high fat as well..you will get fat. the insulin will store the excess.
but 5,700 calories for a month on LCHF didn't put on the expected weight
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/sam...ce-5000-calorie-carb-challenge_b_3931307.html
I should have put on 7.3kg, However, after those 21 days I put on 1.3kg but lost 3cm from my waist, a 6kg discrepancy

but 900 calories extra fat on lchf doesn't seem to ?
Dr bernstein tried to fatten a few of his skinny patients on more fat..it didn't work, he had to add protein [they were on carb restriction]
http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/17226/eat-fat-grow-thin/
"I had patients on a low carbo diet, all of whom were taking insulin and they all wanted to gain weight. So I gave them extra fat in the form of olive oil to the tune of a shot glass in the morning and a shot glass in the afternoon. This was 3 ounces of extra calories, which boiled down to 900 extra calories a day. Over the course of 6 months not one of four patients gained a pound. So giving fat on a low carbo diet will not make you fat. You will metabolize it. It’s been proven subsequently. On a low carbo diet you metabolize your fat, rather than store it. - See more at:

This gives a simple overview to how it works
For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. They don’t give up easy and it’s biochemical

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Wonder if this holds true for everybody ie also for those with metabolic syndrome, provided they reach some specific or threshold low carbohydrate level and subsequent low insulin value?.
 
Pasha said:
Wonder if this holds true for everybody ie also for those with metabolic syndrome, provided they reach some specific or threshold low carbohydrate level and subsequent low insulin value?.
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sorry, can you expand your question..I can't fully get what you are asking.

at a guess..
met syn...is the video..the video is how LCHF works, you cut the carbs that cut the insulin that cuts your BG and you can then burn fat easily
 
Similar to Jack, don't think "metabolic syndrome" is some kind of independent condition that would change the logic of how fat and carbs are used differently. Other way round, metabolic syndrome is the proof of what happens when people are in a chronic high-carb high-insulin state. There's a genetic factor but it's best expressed as "some people are genetically able to resist the effects of high-carb high-insulin". These more resistant people are the ones who eat the high carb diet but who don't have T2 or metabolic syndrome. Yet.
 
I will try again. I will use myself as an example. I am pre diabetic and very carbohydrate sensitive. Lately I have been doing a trial to see how much I need to reduce carbohydrates in order to get "normal low" FBG results. By using a diet of 14 grams carbs, 56 grams proteins and 155 grams fats I can get down to Av FBG ca 76 mg/dl, thats about 4.22 mmoles/l.

According to the post made by Jack 412 I should be able to increase the fat content and hence calorie content of my present diet composition and still retain a constant weight. I will put this to the test soon.

With the previous tests I have done with 20- 25 carbs my FBG was higher, and increasing the fats caused a weight gain. This is why I thought that everybody will have their own critical carbohydrate level above which they will be far less able to efficiently oxidise the fatty acids to acetone, acetoacetic acid and beta hydroxy butyric acid, and so gain weight.

I also think its a bit misleading to hint to people that they can slap on the fat and not worry about weight gain. I have not seen anything published for a study on a large number of people on the low carb diet to show that these very high amounts of fat dont influence weight .

Hope that this is a bit clearer.And I welcome any comments.
 
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