Low carb v wholefood vegan diet to reverse type 2?

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The short answer is, “Yes, I have had great results managing type 2 diabetes with a whole-food, plant-based, low fat diet.” The compete answer is more complicated.

I will be 70 years old in a few months, and I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes 40 years ago. At the time of my diagnosis, I weighed 16.78 stone, if the converter on my computer is correct. The American Diabetes Association diet was recommended to me, and I went on it. It was not a great diet (Coca Cola and Mars Candy Co. were on the advisory board of the ADA at the time), but my own diet was so poor that I lost 2.14 some and my blood sugar improved. at that point, progress stopped.

Twenty years ago, after reading Dr. Bernstein’s book, I began eating a very low-carb diet and made an effort to cut out processed food. Again, I lost weight and blood sugars improved. Again, progress stopped.

In 2017, I added fasting to my arsenal of anti-diabetes tools. More progress. I was able to get off my diabetes medicine (Metformin), but again, I hit a wall.

The wheels fell off during Covid and I had to get back on Metformin. I was searching for something to kickstart my diet and did a 5-day fasting-mimicking diet (which I had done before). The diet is plant based and I told the doctor I was working with that I thought I could actually eat a plant-based diet except for the fact that, to get the protein I would need to eat, I would have to eat foods that my my blood sugars skyrocket (beans, potatoes, rice, etc.). He said that, not only could I eat those foods, it was important that I do eat those foods. When I asked for an explanation, he said that insulin resistance is not caused by a lifetime of over-eating carbohydrates, but by dietary fat and fat stored in your muscles and organs. He recommended the book, Mastering Diabetes and sent links to some videos. I downloaded the book to my Kindle that day. I spent 3 days reading the book and watching the videos and thinking about it. If it is true, that dietary and stored fat cause insulin resistance, then that explains my stop and go success with my diet. The more serious you are about eating low carb, the more of your diet becomes fat.

Low carb diets absolutely lower your blood sugar and your A1c and do so rapidly, but if fat is the problem, they are not helping your diabetes long term. Low carb does not make one more sensitive to insulin. It avoids the problem by limiting the trigger for high glucose levels. I fact, if you eat a diet that is low enough in carbs, your body down regulates your insulin receptors. The first study done which demonstrated that fat induced insulin resistance was done in the 1920s.

Fasting does affect insulin resistance, but again, if you are being very serious about low carb, you are counter balancing that effect by having a higher fat level in your diet than you would otherwise.

So after a few days of study and thinking, I figured I had nothing to lose and dove in. Within about 4 days, I had to get off of Metformin. I would eat a meal of 220 gr. of carbohydrates which would cause a spike in my blood sugars, but my body had already improved it’s sensitivity to insulin that it would slam the level down to the low 70s or less (mg/dL) which I believe is around a 4 in mmol/L. Metformin works by turning off gluco-neogenesis, so my body was unable to generate the sugar it needed to stop my blood sugar falling.

So I am currently in the first week or so of my 5th month of eating this way. I am still not on Metformin. I am also off my statin (many people who fast experience a rapid rise in LDL cholesterol and I was one). I do a 16-hour fast most days, bu not eating breakfast. My most recent A1c was 42mmol/mol (6.0%) and I expect to reach an actual normal A1c. My current weight is 10.14 stone. With this diet, the only thing I have to be aware of is limiting my intake of fatty plants like nuts and avocados. I use no oils of any kind, but there is no other limit on quantities. If you have already cut out processed food and have been living low carb for a long time, this actually feels much easier to me because of the addition of starchy veggies and fruit to my diet.

I recommend the book mentioned above as well as the book How Not to Die. The website nutritionfacts.org has a lot of information and hundreds of videos that are between 6 and 10 minutes long with lots of research on this.

I should say that lowering your blood sugar takes longer than with low carb, because you are working at losing fat instead of avoiding foods that raise your blood sugar. My fasting blood sugar stayed at around 5.8 for a while as things began to normalize, but the level of my spikes lowered almost immediately.

I am not telling anyone how to eat or interested in defending anything I’ve said above. Read the books if you are interested and look up the studies they cite and make up your own mind. I am just answering the original post with my own experience in the use of this diet.
 

Ronancastled

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I will be 70 years old in a few months, and I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes 40 years ago.

So you've been able to achieve remission 40 years post diagnosis through weight loss & maintaining weight loss.
Plus you are now able to handle moderate amount of carbs.

This post should be a sticky for hope & inspiration.
What many of us fear is relapse due to age or some factor beyond our control.
Knowing that results like your can be obtained 40 years post diagnosis is heartening.

Btw some may not agree with your carb heavy plant based diet but you can't argue with the results, well done
 
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Thanks, Ronancastled

Yes, the high carb element is hard to wrap your head around, especially after so many years. But if you read the studies, you'll find that this is the only diet to reverse heart disease as well as being preventative for most chronic disease. There is a lot of supporting evidence out there. It's focusing on cause rather than symptoms that is the difference.
 

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Sorry VikingMermaid - i haven;t been on this forum for a couple of years - i thought i got notifications of anyone answered!!!
If you have done the WholeLife thing you will know they do provide a lot of recipes - also another good place is Riverford - google them for recipes - you have to scan them - cos they aren't diabetic! But very healthy otherwise....
Hope you have had success in the meantime....
I have gone up and down...... a healthy diet with intermittent fasting seems to be my best bet - but i am trying a Libre scanner (first one is free from Abbott!) to see if i can refine it.... but confusing at the moment....
 

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I think the important thing is that we are all different. If something works for you, go for it. And just because something works for others does not mean it will work for you.

And, of course, well done for your achievement in reducing your levels.
the best way is to load up on testing strips and test yourself after eating your meals. You will find what is working for you and what is not.
 

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I'm 21 months into low carb and used to have bowel problems. I now think I had some kind of intolerance or allergy to grains. I used to think I had problems with dairy, but no more. Or maybe it was the combination of both?
Either way, the real solution is finding something that keeps bg low and is sustainable for life.
Several people on here report good results on most short term diets, but its finding a way of eating for life that is key.
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@hecate105 do you finger prick regularly? Finger pricking has shown me I can eat carrots, but parsnips send my bg way high., both similar veg but very different effects.
And what plant based protein do you have that isn't premade or manufactured?
Genuinely interested as I love veg and fruit and would like to find more to replace the ones that don't like me!
I make humus from chickpeas and bean purees (broad beans, peas, garlic, lemon juice and mint!) quite a bit of beans - bean salads and in stews etc. I love lentils - dhal and other spicy meals ... I also like chickpea flour (gram flour) made into pancakes (just the gram flour and water - whisked and cooked ) i top them with whatever is in the fridge - leftover cooked veg, olives, herbs, spices.....
As my hubby is gluten free we do have some buckwheat/lentil/chickpea pasta......
 

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Thank you so much for this post, Hecate105! You mentioned a Wholelife course, which sounded interesting and googled it immediately. Found out the course was available in my area, covered by the Coastal Communities network - and then (flipping heck!) discovered it was actually set up right here in my hometown (and the next-door one), making it free of charge to me!

Suffice to say I (and one of my sisters, who also lives here) signed up immediately, and we start the course on 4 October. Yay (gives a little skip of excitement)!

Even weirder, back in April (when I finally decided to go vegan), I had come across a zero waste shop on FB, based in Totnes, where there was mention of a couple of lads ('The Happy Pear'), who'd popped into their shop (they'd set up a vegan/wellbeing cafe above a greengrocers in Ireland, and were now very successful running diet/lifestyle-based health and wellbeing courses. I bought one of their books ("The Happy Health Plan"), in which they mentioned a study (The Devon South-West Plant-Based Challenge) that they'd rolled out to medical practitioners here in Devon, with similar guidelines used on the courses they offered globally. But at £160 a pop, I hadn't been able to afford them. Now it appears likely that the WholeLife course you mention has come off the back of The Happy Pear's plant-based challenge! Serendipity :)

Question for you: when you were doing the 4-week WholeLife diet, were you given a day-by-day eating plan, or just a selection of recipe ideas? I ask because I have ADHD, and struggle enormously to plan what I'm eating, meaning I tend to fall back on whatever I happen to have in the cupboard. I really need somebody to invent a 28-day 'this is what you're cooking/eating today' plan, and am hoping against hope that the WholeLife diet will provide this. If not, how did you manage to plan four weeks worth of meals that fitted the WholeLife plan?

Anyway, I'm enormously grateful to you for mentioning the course :)
they did have recipes for vegan meals - another idea is pick up a vegan cookbook in a charity shop - Totnes is ideal for that! and just work your way thru - write the day on each page and you have your own weekly guide!!