Low Gi Diets

Marky62

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Hello everyone,

I'm just diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and have yet to see the specialist nurse for advice- appointment booked.

I'm quite interested in trying a low GI diet and wondered what the views on it were? I can see you are all on low carb diets and I wondered whether that was because you'd tried low GI diets and not had enough benefit, or whether anyone on low carb diets did try and make sure the carbs they did have were low GI.

For background, I'm a 54 year old man living in the UK diagnosed with an HBA1C of 48, no obvious symptoms, not yet doing routine testing but anticipate I soon will be. I'm a lecturer in nursing so have some understanding of diabetes, but am in no way a specialist.

And this is my first posting to this forum! So hello to you all!

All views gratefully received.

Mark
 

dawnmc

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Hi Mark, the only way really to find out what works for you is to get a meter. It doesn't take long to see what affect food has on your levels.
 

Lamont D

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Thanks Dawn, I'll do that.

Mark

Hi, Mark,
The problem with low GI foods, is some diabetics cannot tolerate even them.
Carbs are carbs and will turn into glucose, the lower the GI the slower the digestion but not necessarily the spike induced by the glucose.
As, being advised by the other poster, testing is the only way to find out what your tolerances are.
Once you start testing, record everything in a food diary.
This will help you in determining how well you are doing.
A low carb approach, adapted to your personal tastes and interests, is the way to go.
I would advise, reducing your carbs, reducing your plate size, increase your exercise if you can.

I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.
 

Indy51

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Carbs are carbs and will turn into glucose, the lower the GI the slower the digestion but not necessarily the spike induced by the glucose.
Agreed. The other side of this equation is that the longer the glucose rise, the longer it will take and the more insulin will be pumped out by the pancreas to clear the glucose over a longer period of time. I heard someone refer to this process as "marinating your cells in insulin" ;)
 
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Marky62

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Hi, Mark,
The problem with low GI foods, is some diabetics cannot tolerate even them.
Carbs are carbs and will turn into glucose, the lower the GI the slower the digestion but not necessarily the spike induced by the glucose.
As, being advised by the other poster, testing is the only way to find out what your tolerances are.
Once you start testing, record everything in a food diary.
This will help you in determining how well you are doing.
A low carb approach, adapted to your personal tastes and interests, is the way to go.
I would advise, reducing your carbs, reducing your plate size, increase your exercise if you can.

I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.

Thanks Nosher, that's all really helpful. Much appreciated.
 
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Marky62

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Agreed. The other side of this equation is that the longer the glucose rise, the longer it will take and the more insulin will be pumped out by the pancreas to clear the glucose over a longer period of time. I heard someone refer to this process as "marinating your cells in insulin" ;)

Thanks Indy51, that's really useful. I had wondered whether the slowness of processing low GI carbs automatically meant less insulin used and what you have written certainly casts doubt on that.

Much appreciated!

Mark
 

britishpub

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Hi @Marky62

I was following a Low GI diet, using the Rich Gallop books for at least 5 years prior to being diagnosed.

Based on the fact that I subsequently was diagnosed with T2D my personal view is that a Low GI diet will not help you gain control over your BG levels.
 

Hiitsme

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Hi @Marky62 and welcome.
I did try low GI early on and found that my blood sugars increased and stayed high, still high the following morning. My HbA1c was 95 at diagnosis so a lot higher than yours so you may be OK. Testing is the only way to be sure.
 

ExD

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Welcome Mark,
GI didn't work for me either, and I can't say it fitted in well with my lifestyle. The surprising thing was that the diabetic nurse was enthusiastic about the Low Carb diet and very encouraging although she still held the opinion that testing was a waste of time for type 2s. We got a free meter by typing 'free diabetes testing kit' or words to that effect, into Google.
If you find the GI diet helps you - go for it, its a good healthy diet, otherwise try LCHF and see which you prefer.
 

daisy1

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@Marky62

Hello Mark and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. It contains info on Carbs and low carbing and a link to the Low Carb Program which you might find useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Kristin251

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A carb is a carb to me. They all turn to sugar.

The meter is a must. We all have our carb tolerances so a meter will show you your to,erances rather quickly.

Some people see a rise with foods that shouldn't rise them like eggs or mushrooms. I'm fine with those. I can eat baby shrimp but the big ones raise me. Baffling ....
Romaine lettuce raises me but Boston lettuce does not. Baffling again...
We are all unique
 

Marky62

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A carb is a carb to me. They all turn to sugar.

The meter is a must. We all have our carb tolerances so a meter will show you your to,erances rather quickly.

Some people see a rise with foods that shouldn't rise them like eggs or mushrooms. I'm fine with those. I can eat baby shrimp but the big ones raise me. Baffling ....
Romaine lettuce raises me but Boston lettuce does not. Baffling again...
We are all unique

Fascinating stuff, @Kristin251 and point taken about both acquiring a meter and carbs.
 

Marky62

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Hi @Marky62 and welcome.
I did try low GI early on and found that my blood sugars increased and stayed high, still high the following morning. My HbA1c was 95 at diagnosis so a lot higher than yours so you may be OK. Testing is the only way to be sure.

Thanks, @hitsme. Your experience doesn't sound too encouraging regarding a low GI diet, but I'll keep thinking about it.
 

Marky62

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Welcome Mark,
GI didn't work for me either, and I can't say it fitted in well with my lifestyle. The surprising thing was that the diabetic nurse was enthusiastic about the Low Carb diet and very encouraging although she still held the opinion that testing was a waste of time for type 2s. We got a free meter by typing 'free diabetes testing kit' or words to that effect, into Google.
If you find the GI diet helps you - go for it, its a good healthy diet, otherwise try LCHF and see which you prefer.

Thanks @ExD, that seems really sensible stuff.
 

Marky62

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@daisy1, thanks very much for that, really helpful.

Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to reply, I've found all of that really useful.

Mark
 

bulkbiker

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Thanks @ExD, that seems really sensible stuff.
Just watch out for the cost of the test strips when getting a meter - some of the free ones have very expensive strips so the ongoing costs can be high. A lot of us use the SD Codefree from Homehealth as the strips can be got fro just over £5 for 50 which makes it a cheaper alternative. No I don't work for for them.. but its the one I use.
 

Pinkorchid

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Hi Mark we all different so the trick is to find out the way of eating that suits you best. There are no rules or one diet suits all so what works for one person may not work for another the only thing that matters is finding what works for you
 
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Perhaps the biggest problem after trying to lose weight is to find a lifestyle that is sustainable. All of the people that ever re-gained the lost weight and yo-yo dieted will attest to that. Low GI shows that you have been thinking about it and low GL will have demonstrated that you looked into it even further and found out that a lot of weighing and doing sums is involved. You may slowly grow tired of this.

The biggest factor that makes Low Carb successful is that once you have found meals (using your meter) that you like instead of the displaced carby ones you don't have to do anything but enjoy the lovely food. It might be different than before but it can be better. Your new lifestyle is therefore sustainable. That's what you should be aiming for.
 
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