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Mastering diabetes

 
My objective was not to cheese you off. One side of this scenario is attempting to force me to eat like you, which for me destroys my health. I am showing my way works just as well and should not be misrepresented. This deals with the food side. When someone posts on thr climate and meat, I will be able to show other evidence, that once seen cannot be unseen.

My other objective was to provide balance. The MD protocol is a commercial product, getting free advertising. There are many health questions around this method, that for example achieves A1c's with high spikes and lows to get the numbers. Challenging this method compared to the law of low numbers is valid.
 
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No offense taken. I don't have a dog in this hunt. I appreciate the information you shared. I just don't see any point in joining the discussion any further - all I really had to add was my results and they have been offered.
I hope you continue to share ongoing results
 
My other objective was to provide balance. The MD protocol is a commercial product, getting free advertising.
That's true. But in just the same way as the oft-recommended dietdoctor offers a commercial product, the folks over at MD (Just as with DD) offer enough free resources (Many free articles, tons of free video content, free online summits, workshops etc.) that the plan can be followed without spending a penny. Their paid products other than their book, while instructional, are more about group and individual coaching for people who are happy to pay for that level of support.
 
Diet Doctor are not fast and loose with the truth and are respectful to plant advocates to the point of having dietary recommendations. In my assessment of what I found, I will either cite my example, which is middle of the range for a typically adherent low carber or reference other evidence. I will prove they don't tell the truth. I went through the MD website taking some time on the science (fiction) section, for example:

"We’ve learned that in general, low-fat, plant-based diets with whole foods are good for your overall health and longevity, especially if you’re living with diabetes.

"And we’ve learned that there are some substantial risks to meat consumption and eating high fat diets, especially when you consider extremes like processed meats, or a high-fat diet like the
keto diet or carnivore diet (as tempting as they can be)."

Clearly it is easy to contradict both points with either science or common sense. For common sense I can remember my aunties living into their 80's, my grandma 90's, mum currently 79 (traditional Jamaican diet, with SAD influences), I remember my friends (both white and black) having access to grand parents (this would have been the days of meat and 2 veg, and when school kids were being given a free bottle of milk). With regards to science no epidemiological study even meets the hazard threshold of "2", so it is fraudulent to use words such as "substantial". For those who don't know the hazard ratio needs to be 2 or greater to then move on to a "real" trial such as an RCT. As "1" means no effect, all so called reliable tests are at circa 1.3 (miniscule, tortured data absolute risks), when smoking causes cancer has a comparative is anything between 10x to 20x plus in comparative types of methodology.

If you can prove someone is being (willfully) liberal with the truth, you then have to question any other hypothesis; here's just some extracts from one of their sections:

"One of the most popular diet fads right now is the low-carb diet."

Truth:


"And while the low-carb diet has been shown to help people lose weight in the short term, when these diets are followed long-term (i.e., for over a year), studies show that they're not very effective at helping with lasting weight loss or preventing chronic diseases like diabetes."

Truth:
The 96 kg was 9 years before being diagnosed. Seven and three quarter years later 9.5 kg still off (whilst increasing muscle mass):





"However, the reason why these diets are so effective for this purpose is that they're usually very calorie-restrictive and often don't provide enough calories to sustain an individual over the long term"

Truth:
I have 5 years of date and time stamped pictures. It is false to say I am calorie restricted in anyone's eyes; I eat around 200 grams of animal protein a day with no powders. Some pictures are in earlier posts in this stream and littered over this site for years.

"Keto and the like are even worse for people with diabetes! This is another place where short-term results are deceptive, because by reducing your intake of carbs/sugar, you do notice a clear decrease in your blood sugar levels!"

Truth:
Keto has been proven clinical to reverse Type 2 (Virta Health, Eric Westman, Jason Fung, Dr Troy, Diet Doctor, Diabetes.co.uk, Dr Unwin.....), my self:



"However, the cost is that you're drastically increasing your insulin resistance, which means that any return to eating foods high in carbohydrates will skyrocket your sugar levels, lead to weight gain, and can leave you in a worse place than you were before you tried low carb diets!"

My Hom-IR: 0.97 (Fasting insulin 5.1, FBG: 4.3)

My recent 50 gram porridge (30 grams of carbs) test:
This was without prepping my body, I was able to get a maximum of 7.0 mmol/L with no exercise (a further test with a walk 6.3). Whilst these numbers are not acceptable to me. This is proof that a well formulated meat-based diet does not increase IR.

"Eating too much protein in the long term can also put stress on your kidneys if you're not careful!"

Truth:

The 2014 measured came about after my "get healthy" diet change to more fruits, oats and the like. I eat a high animal protein focused diet. Using metformin initially dropped my GFR below 60, latest 68:





The studies on kidney health and high protein are conclusive, when kidneys are healthy both low and high carb diets have no effect. Studies I have seen. References are Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, Dr Donald Layman, Dr Stuart Philips, Dr Ted Naiman, Dr Jason Fung. The 2 middle Dr's are independently recognised as authorities in this area and all reference studies etc, Dr Fung is a kideny specialist.

Dr David Unwin has a trial protein and the kidneys:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1422437079900901399
In very short order I have been able to put a coach and horses through claims on MD, with no "yeah but" comebacks. If something is not true it of the opposite. As it is provable scientifically and observationally that MD misrepresent, this site should seriously consider banning or putting a fact check underneath every post - I am serious about this point and am openly asking the mods to rule on this. It is my position that the MD method has too many risks at this stage to recommend and should not be promoted when the "experts" are not telling the truth in their statements, as evidenced in this sites own App published data and anecdotes.

Am I able to promote my wifes method of Diabetes Remission and Control, she is a qualifed health care professional, who has worked with well known premiership football teams, has go

I have been able to uncover just in this stream that reported HDL is outside of what is deemed normal and LDL reported again witnessed in "standard" available data, is in the realm of more overall mortality. Is it ethical to promote a diet that results in lowering past normal the biomarker which has a higher association with heart health than LDL, based on what a Dr says. And when tested against actual hard end points (death) has a higher association with death in non-biased datasets.

We don't even know what the other metrics produced are for the MD protocol are for example in the attached Virta data. If the comeback is "LDL" goes high in 33% of meat eaters on low carb, then I would refer to Virta data which shows (again on standard metrics) that overal risk goes down (mine from 4% to circa 2%) and the ApoB. Attached is the Virta "proven" data. This deals with many of the topics covered with facts. The criticism that this trial was not randomised, does not change the values of the data, a 4.3 mmol/L fbg is still 4.3.
 

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In very short order I have been able to put a coach and horses through claims on MD

Which is unfortunate, as I believe there's definitely a (much more nuanced) conversation to be had.

Anyway...Thanks for your thorough reply. However, I have to stick to my plans of spending November (and possibly December) mostly offline. I will take a copy of this reply, and slowly craft a considered response. I may or may not post it while away.

Let's see if we can't clear away the straw and horse poo and put at least some of your horses back in their stables



Hasta entonces...
 
I'll just drop this one here


" The high confidence in causal associations for incident T2D is sufficient to consider inclusion of GI and GL in food and nutrient-based recommendations."

This list of the authors' conflicts of interests is a lot longer than the abstract..

Edit to add link to twitter thread where I saw it first..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1587361486266998784
 
Irrespective of their claims, it is known (and I Cannot find the reference now, sorry) that carbs-based healthy diets are ok for those without hyperinsulenimia. As fasting insulin levels are not mentioned by them AND not known by most of the population, any good insights they can offer are overwhelmed by the harm and false hope their advice and dogma brings.
 

This was so useful to read, thank you so much!
I have Pre-Diabetes (A1C at 6.1) and have just started again the Mastering Diabetes diet; I'm a bit scared cause spikes are pretty high (230 at 1 hr) but it's exactly as you say, they come down pretty quickly and even If at 1HR I feel very dizzy and unwell, I also feel paradoxically less tired and more energetic while walking after meals. Reading your experience was priceless, you make some excellent points: it will take some time before my metabolism switches to carbs and sugars again from keto, and also for my body to get rid of the extra stored fats (even if I'm very skinny). I want to stick to it this time. Something is telling me that this is the only way, I felt so miserable on Keto and had big spikes anyway... Thanks again!
 
I'm just 3 days in, on the MD diet, so I can't really talk as an expert. Yes it's true the spikes and insuline response are there, but it's also true that the brain fog has gone and I feel much more energetic already. This is not a a perception, the difference with 4 days ago is HUGE.
 
Thank you so much for sharing. This for me is an incredible validation of my very first days on the MD diet, cause I know the guy of the video from many previous videos I watched and you are absolutely right on this, he's always been unbiased, objective and very realistic.
He's honest on everything he says, and if he's having such good results on the same Diet, this is so motivating for me; I have no doubts he's sincere.
Also, your remarks on him being a T1D is absolutely spot on, the success rate of this diet can be measured and shared. Both authors of the Mastering Diabetes book are Type 1, btw.
I'm feeling so much hope tonight, thank you again for sharing. I'm also following the Diet without buying the full package, I just read the e-book which I got from Amazon (10 Euros).
 
Happy for your up tick. The MD method promotes the previous vegan diet - WFPB (Whole Food Plant Based). Personally I don't like this, but respect it for being real food. From what I recall the meals are relatively small, I once referred to them as a starters (but I do eat a significant amount).

WFPB is a major positive change compared to the standard diet, so it does not surprise me that you feel better. I wish you all the best, but hope you continue to test. If the evidence to yourself shows either deficiencies or poorer health outcomes, I would hope you would place health above protocol.
 
Hi @Mbaker , thank you so much for your reply!
Yes, you are right, I'm absolutely focusing on keeping things balanced, also I can't go fully vegan nor vegetarian right now cause I'm also severely intolerant to Histamines so I can't eat legumes, I have just drastically reduced fats for the moment, even healthy fats such as organic almond butter and coconut cream and I'm keeping seeing huge progress... I was vegetarian before Covid, have been for 8 years, and I was feeling very good to be honest. Then Covid made me hyperglicemic and intolerant to many things and here I am...
Btw, the portions of MD diet are actually huge, even too much for my stomach, because for getting 300gr carbs or more from veggies and fruit you need to eat a LOT of them
 
I have been on a whole food plants only diet for more than 13 years . Mainly to prevent and reverse heart disease.
It has worked well for that purpose but lately I have been diagnosed with t2 : my a1c has been higher than the prediabetes range at times: 6.8 and 6.6.
I have lost a lot of weight by being strict again and watching portions . And now I have a Libre 3 cgm for a week.
I hope to learn more and keep my a1c in check .
I saw the photos of the recipes posted and they look great . I also do no added fat so it is challenging to follow recipes
 
At my heaviest weight and shortly after being diagnosed, switching from a high-fat, high-carb mixed diet to the Mastering Diabetes/McDougall high-carb, low-fat (HCLF) approach did work for me. My morning fasting blood sugar dropped from 170 to the 80s.

For breakfast, I had oatmeal with berries, almond milk, and flaxseeds. Lunch was homemade split pea soup (cooked in my Instant Pot) with two slices of wholemeal bread. Dinner usually consisted of potatoes or corn tortillas with beans and vegetables. I was also very consistent about walking a lot.

So, I know that approach can be effective. However, I eventually grew tired of veganism and switched to a clean, low-carb diet because I missed eating meat. Since then, any attempts to return to the HCLF way of eating haven’t gone as smoothly. I now experience a lot of swelling when I try a no-oil, whole-food approach.

Last summer, I gave it another go for six weeks. Although I did lose a few pounds, my face became noticeably swollen, and unfortunately, my HbA1c rose from 5.4 to 6.0.

In summary, while the HCLF approach worked well for me initially, it may not provide additional benefits if you're already following a clean, relatively healthy low-carb diet.
 
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