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Your HS-CRP of 2 indicates moderate risk, as the desired is below 1, mine has been 0.3 for approaching 4 years (this should put to bed, meat is inflammatory):
I mis-typed. My HS-CRP was 0.2, not 2.0. I won't be adding any more to this conversation. My intent was just to share my results because examples were asked for, not to enter into a long discussion as to the validity of it or an explanation of how or if it worked, etc. Assumptions made about how I ate or what I did in my 40 years of combating diabetes are irrelevant. I'm not trying to talk anyone into this. I'm only telling you what happened to me. When I get another round of labs in three months, I may post those here.
No offense taken. I don't have a dog in this hunt. I appreciate the information you shared. I just don't see any point in joining the discussion any further - all I really had to add was my results and they have been offered.My objective was not to cheese you off.
I hope you continue to share ongoing resultsNo offense taken. I don't have a dog in this hunt. I appreciate the information you shared. I just don't see any point in joining the discussion any further - all I really had to add was my results and they have been offered.
That's true. But in just the same way as the oft-recommended dietdoctor offers a commercial product, the folks over at MD (Just as with DD) offer enough free resources (Many free articles, tons of free video content, free online summits, workshops etc.) that the plan can be followed without spending a penny. Their paid products other than their book, while instructional, are more about group and individual coaching for people who are happy to pay for that level of support.My other objective was to provide balance. The MD protocol is a commercial product, getting free advertising.
Diet Doctor are not fast and loose with the truth and are respectful to plant advocates to the point of having dietary recommendations. In my assessment of what I found, I will either cite my example, which is middle of the range for a typically adherent low carber or reference other evidence. I will prove they don't tell the truth. I went through the MD website taking some time on the science (fiction) section, for example:That's true. But in just the same way as the oft-recommended dietdoctor offers a commercial product, the folks over at MD (Just as with DD) offer enough free resources (Many free articles, tons of free video content, free online summits, workshops etc.) that the plan can be followed without spending a penny. Their paid products other than their book, while instructional, are more about group and individual coaching for people who are happy to pay for that level of support.
In very short order I have been able to put a coach and horses through claims on MD
I had my first labs three months after starting this plan and all of my lab results had improved, but experiencing it is very different than on low-carb. On low-carb, you can stick your finger any time and know the effect of the diet. Since you are not trying to control carb intake (to avoid a need for insulin), but are trying to increase you sensitivity to insulin, it is harder to measure (because it takes time to remove fat from your pancreas, liver, muscles, etc). However, not having the dietary fat interfering with your meal processing shows up pretty quickly. I was on Metformin when I started this. Within 5 days, I had to get off of it. My insulin sensitivity had improved enough that my blood sugar would go too low after a high carb meal and, since Metformin terns off your body's ability to manufacture sugar, there was not mechanism in place to prevent those lows. I initially had large spikes after a high carb meal, but recovered pretty quickly and the amplitude of the spikes came down more rapidly than, say, my fasting blood sugar and was the first sign that something good was happening. Cholesterol and weight quickly came down. You are eating a diet very high in nutritional content and very low in calories, so basically, no matter how much of the allowed foods you eat, you are not going to over eat. And, as I say, ALL labs were improved after 3 months and the ones I posted above at 6 months are improved again (A1c from 6.0 to 5.6 - LDL from 96 to 78).
Because you need a span of time to see what is going on, I started using a CGM so I could check my glucose hourly (not goin to stick my fingers that often). Over time, that didn't seem to work so well - it would be reading a value that I knew could not be possible and I would check and it could be 30 points off either way. So after a couple of months I quit using it. I find that at the moment, I really have no idea what my A1c is going to be based on my finger sticks. I would have thought my most recent one would have been in the neighborhood of 6.0 or 6.1 (US scale) based on my finger sticks, so I was very pleasantly surprised to get the 5.6. I assume that there is a lot better control going on in general than I can find out from the number of finger sticks I am willing to do.
I'm just 3 days in, on the MD diet, so I can't really talk as an expert. Yes it's true the spikes and insuline response are there, but it's also true that the brain fog has gone and I feel much more energetic already. This is not a a perception, the difference with 4 days ago is HUGE.I agree there are different diabetes types, but I think the word "work" should be defined. The approach gets the A1c by as the contributor stated slamming down the glucose to low levels. This is achieved with higher amounts of insulin under the curve to counter act the massive spike. So is it better for the body to get a 42 with minimal spikes or significant variances, I do not have the references to hand but 7.8 is the the "normal" upper spike level (I dont go over 6 as I am closer to Bernsteins method|), in another thread on the MD series someone had a variance of 4 mmol/L, considered this alright as their A1c was low due to covering with insulin.
Next on the "work" point, is what are the other metrics for this WOE, HDL, Trigs, HS-CRP, etc. If they are somewhere near the Virta Healths (i.e. similar to other protocols and mine on this site), then perhaps this method has some efficacy, especially if maintained for circa 5 years. For me it is not all about A1c. I believe post prandial rises are important, health metrics and vitality.
Thank you so much for sharing. This for me is an incredible validation of my very first days on the MD diet, cause I know the guy of the video from many previous videos I watched and you are absolutely right on this, he's always been unbiased, objective and very realistic.Watched this a few days ago and thought it worthy of being in my signature.
There are so many positives about this video. Not only is is he independent of all the dietary tribalism so common in the online nutrition space, allowing him to assess his many experiments without prejudice or motivated reasoning. But having come to this armed only with the book and I assume maybe watching a few videos, rather than signing up for the (expensive) coaching and support plans, he shows the results are accessible to anyone who knows how to follow a handful of recipes.
While it is of course great to see the growing number of T2D using the MD program to get their health back, its the results with T1D that are perhaps the most illuminating. Due to how T1D need to dose insulin for the carbs they wish to consume, there are many datapoints being logged, by many people, over various periods of time. This window into the ongoing interaction between carbs and insulin, under ever-increasing (in the case of the MD program) carbohydrate load is invaluable and I believe the implications far outreach those with T1D.
Happy for your up tick. The MD method promotes the previous vegan diet - WFPB (Whole Food Plant Based). Personally I don't like this, but respect it for being real food. From what I recall the meals are relatively small, I once referred to them as a starters (but I do eat a significant amount).I'm just 3 days in, on the MD diet, so I can't really talk as an expert. Yes it's true the spikes and insuline response are there, but it's also true that the brain fog has gone and I feel much more energetic already. This is not a a perception, the difference with 4 days ago is HUGE.
Hi @Mbaker , thank you so much for your reply!Happy for your up tick. The MD method promotes the previous vegan diet - WFPB (Whole Food Plant Based). Personally I don't like this, but respect it for being real food. From what I recall the meals are relatively small, I once referred to them as a starters (but I do eat a significant amount).
WFPB is a major positive change compared to the standard diet, so it does not surprise me that you feel better. I wish you all the best, but hope you continue to test. If the evidence to yourself shows either deficiencies or poorer health outcomes, I would hope you would place health above protocol.
I have been on a whole food plants only diet for more than 13 years . Mainly to prevent and reverse heart disease.Has anyone tried this version to bring blood sugars down and your a1c?
It is a high carb low fat diet
When I first started to testing my blood I was reading between 15 mmol to 19 mmol and have been on this diet for just over 1 month now and my readings are now between 5 and 8 mmol daily morning and after food.
It is a whole food plant based diet accompanied with daily exercise.
I was just wondering if anyone else has tried this method and what there results are like and if they have any good tips ?
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