Meal times

[Jo_the_boat]

Here's an interesting idea, new to me anyway, although I'm sure others may have have come across it.

I do low carb, 20 or 30g per day I would think that includes milk in coffee and my daily fix of peanuts.
I also time-control eat by skipping breakfast (apart from a few brews). Lunch at 12- 12.30 ish, then dinner around 6.30 - 7.00 - both low carb. I fact, a couple of days ago I had sirloin steak fried in butter 3 mins per side with a couple of free range eggs!

I came across an American lady who called herself Dr Boz (a real GP) on You Tube. Avid keto fan, particularly as it helped her mother fighting cancer.
Anyhow, she she went keto, low carb / high fat/ miss breakfast and did really well for a few months then stalled.
She realized that her insulin peaked with each meal - lunch and dinner- but ALSO spiked in the morning - due to dawn phenomenon presumably.
SO... she shunted her two meals earlier in the day to get rid of that first spike and 'got back on track again'

Good idea or not?

 

[jonathan183]

You can give it a try. I find that I am more insulin resistant in the morning so would not necessarily work that well for me ... but we are all different

 

[LittleGreyCat]

Interested in how the insulin level was measured.
As far as I know there is no home kit to do this in the UK.

 

[JenniferM55]

Another Youtuber that I watch is Dr Mindy Pelz, she's big into fasting 'windows'. Interesting what she said, "When that sun goes down we should be finishing up our last meal", this resonates with me me as I believe the circadian rhythm is something we ignore most of time. Interesting theory anyway. This could be the reason why Dr Boz started to lose her stall? This theory could also be why we tend to put weight on in the winter months?

 

[Outlier]

Each to their own. Some people find complex solutions resonate with them, others are idle like me, others hate any form of restriction and yet others like to have a very regulated lifestyle. I eat when I'm hungry. Not bored, anxious, anything else - when I experience actual hunger. It works out for me as brunch and an early evening meal. IMO the important thing is to find ways that suit.

 

[Omar51]

Here's an interesting idea, new to me anyway, although I'm sure others may have have come across it.

I do low carb, 20 or 30g per day I would think that includes milk in coffee and my daily fix of peanuts.
I also time-control eat by skipping breakfast (apart from a few brews). Lunch at 12- 12.30 ish, then dinner around 6.30 - 7.00 - both low carb. I fact, a couple of days ago I had sirloin steak fried in butter 3 mins per side with a couple of free range eggs!

I came across an American lady who called herself Dr Boz (a real GP) on You Tube. Avid keto fan, particularly as it helped her mother fighting cancer.
Anyhow, she she went keto, low carb / high fat/ miss breakfast and did really well for a few months then stalled.
She realized that her insulin peaked with each meal - lunch and dinner- but ALSO spiked in the morning - due to dawn phenomenon presumably.
SO... she shunted her two meals earlier in the day to get rid of that first spike and 'got back on track again'

Good idea or not?

Not sure about a lot of things, to each is to own. No milk in my coffee, no peanuts (Legumes). I am not Keto either. Good luck to you!
Omar

 

[Jo_the_boat]

I think her theory is that, if we only eat lunch and dinner, because most of seem have some sort of 'spike' in the morning when our liver dumps, the two following meals means we have 3 spikes a day. Measured with a finger prick I think. She is suggesting we eat instead of that first spike.

Would the liver then dump in the evening? Don't know.

What ideas like this do is make me think about my habits. It's all a lifestyle balance and for us to make our own minds up. I exercise plenty (some 'experts' tell me too much) so that's in my equation.

New ideas are coming all the time, that latest that Dr Kendrick posted about this morning is that people on a keto diet whose Ldl becomes very high are not any more susceptible to cardiovascular problems than anyone else. I fact, the reverse may be true.
Please don't shoot me I'm only the humble messenger. Shoot Matthew Budoff 'world leading authority' on the subject, who did the 5-year study..

I'm just posting ideas for us to assimilate and help us look after ourselves.

 

[zand]

I usually find that couple of mugs of tea with whole milk for breakfast is enough to stop my liver dump continuing. I eat my main meal when I am hungry which is usually after 3 pm.

 

[Lamont D]

In my understanding of how T2 works, the reasoning behind the lower carb, higher fat, is to offset the spike, flatten the spike, so that, near normal as possible and continuous lower levels does not trigger more insulin into the blood, that insulin resistance means, cannot use and is increasing the hyperglycaemic condition.
I have found over the years, that continuous BG levels in or around normal levels continuously increase healthier outcomes. Improves hba1c and fasting readings over time.
Intermittent fasting can be used at anytime, it is a convenient to the person's lifestyle. Meal times are optional, if you eat your first meal of the day at 7pm because of your work. That can be referred to as breakfast! But why do we have to use labels? Lunch on shifts can be at 3am!
Even in Lord of the Rings, the hobbits had a third breakfast????
But because of my RH, I will not eat four hours before bed. Why?
Its because I know, I won't be going to sleep with the possibility of a hypo episode occurring.

 

[jonathan183]

Interested in how the insulin level was measured.
As far as I know there is no home kit to do this in the UK.

I'm type 1 so I know insulin sensitivity varies during the day because insulin I require to stay within target for same food varies with time of day. My basal insulin requirement also varies with time of day. If you are type 2 it would be more difficult to establish ...