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Meat tax

Tipetoo said:
It helps to regurgitate the cud for a second chewing as an aid in digestion, the flatulence is a by product what we all produce.
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One thing that humans are not good at is eating grass. We are not ruminants and lack the required digesters.
 
I watched an Ivor Cummins video on CHD yesterday and the chasing of cholesterol in this regard, when the elephant in the room and bigger cause is insulin. The agenda boffins are doing the same with meat, plain and simple.

There used to be even more wild meat available such as bison. The worst polluters are humans and will all know this. I felt the need to email Caroline Lucas out of intrigue, as I have always thought she is fair and open minded.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
My question is, why do cows etc belch and suffer flatulence? Could it be because they only eat plants? Just asking... no opinion.
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The gasses are the by products of their digestive processes, involving four stomachs. Although I manage to produce quite a bit of gas myself using only one stomach if I eat certain things!
 
Let's get rid of all the concrete then we could keep the cows believe it or not concrete is one of the top five producers of greenhouse gases up there with fossil fuels and the like.
 
They should breed UK cattle to be belch less like belch free cucumbers are, problem solved.

At least Australian cattle and sheep have thousands of kilometres squared of grazing land to belch, fart and whatever they like doing.
 
Tipetoo said:
They should breed UK cattle to be belch less like belch free cucumbers are, problem solved.

At least Australian cattle and sheep have thousands of kilometres squared of grazing land to belch, fart and whatever they like doing.
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Sure makes it a problem if trying to develop and methane-catchment system !!!
And has anyone figured how much pastureland is otherwise unavailable due to cow pats?
 
kitedoc said:
And has anyone figured how much pastureland is otherwise unavailable due to cow pats?
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No matter how high you stack cow pats you will not get gold bars.

Have you seen any of the cattle stations in the north west of Queensland, mostly pastures of spinifex and rocks and they still turn off good cattle. Get into the Barkly Tablelands in the territory and the there is good grass there.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Global warming!

I don't think it has anything to do with getting money and if it has it would be used to offset the affect on the environment.

Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's greenhouse gases. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The U.S. Food and Agriculture Organization says that agricultural methane output could increase by 60 percent by 2030 [Source: Times Online]. The world's 1.5 billion cows and billions of other grazing animals emit dozens of polluting gases, including lots of methane. Two-thirds of all ammonia comes from cows.

Cows emit a massive amount of methane through belching, with a lesser amount through flatulence. Statistics vary regarding how much methane the average dairy cow expels. Some experts say 100 liters to 200 liters a day (or about 26 gallons to about 53 gallons), while others say it's up to 500 liters (about 132 gallons) a day. In any case, that's a lot of methane, an amount comparable to the pollution produced by a car in a day.
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Excellent! It's way too cold where live. I'm getting a bit tired of waiting for it to actually warm up here, though.
 
kitedoc said:
Sure makes it a problem if trying to develop and methane-catchment system !!!
And has anyone figured how much pastureland is otherwise unavailable due to cow pats?
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Temporary problem. And necessary to replenish nutrients in the soil.
 
The thing barely touched on is that taxation of consumables (amongst other things) discriminates unfairly against the poor.

Where there are people on Income Support who can barely cover the cost of rent and heating then something has to be cut. If meat is too expensive (remember good quality protein is the only essential macro nutrient) then cheap stomach fillers will be eaten instead.

There is a good reason that there is no VAT on food.

However there now seems to be creeping taxation "for our own good".

Sugar tax, meat tax, fat tax? Where will it end?

Allegedly, though, these taxes will be trivial compared to the import duty we will have to pay on vegetables should we end up in the future with unfavourable tax agreements. I think we import around 70% of our vegetables (figures vary depending on where you look).

A meat tax won't stop me eating meat, or even reduce my consumption. It may well impact the diet and health of the 25% of the population with the least disposable income, though. Who are often the same demographic who aren't capable of cooking their own meals from scratch due to lack of time, lack of knowledge or lack of facilities.

There is a good reason why chains like MacDonalds are still thriving. They provide basic (not saying healthy) meals for very little cost.
 
LittleGreyCat said:
The thing barely touched on is that taxation of consumables (amongst other things) discriminates unfairly against the poor.

Where there are people on Income Support who can barely cover the cost of rent and heating then something has to be cut. If meat is too expensive (remember good quality protein is the only essential macro nutrient) then cheap stomach fillers will be eaten instead.

There is a good reason that there is no VAT on food.

However there now seems to be creeping taxation "for our own good".

Sugar tax, meat tax, fat tax? Where will it end?

Allegedly, though, these taxes will be trivial compared to the import duty we will have to pay on vegetables should we end up in the future with unfavourable tax agreements. I think we import around 70% of our vegetables (figures vary depending on where you look).

A meat tax won't stop me eating meat, or even reduce my consumption. It may well impact the diet and health of the 25% of the population with the least disposable income, though. Who are often the same demographic who aren't capable of cooking their own meals from scratch due to lack of time, lack of knowledge or lack of facilities.

There is a good reason why chains like MacDonalds are still thriving. They provide basic (not saying healthy) meals for very little cost.
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The list of good4U taxes also include duty on alcohol and tobacco. They are currently discussing the new PHE calls for a pudding tax,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...u-treats-get-sweeter-despite-targets-cutting/

I do not myself require to use foodbanks, but I suspect that fresh meat is not often on their menu.
 
Oldvatr said:
The list of good4U taxes also include duty on alcohol and tobacco. They are currently discussing the new PHE calls for a pudding tax,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...u-treats-get-sweeter-despite-targets-cutting/

I do not myself require to use foodbanks, but I suspect that fresh meat is not often on their menu.
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Fresh meat is definitely not on their menu. Most of the foodstuffs that foodbanks ask for are not that good for people with diabetes. That has worried me for a longtime.
 
Thing is they already tax us for everything from the air we breath to the water we drink.......they are going to have to get creative to think of something else to tax.......bet they've got the best minds working on it already.
 
Your VAT and inheritance taxes (from a personal and Australian perspective) are a disgrace. A meat tax simply exacerbates the problem
 
I was referring to the comparative GST / VAT rates, not the items
 
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