Melatonin mucking up my numbers?

RedVespa

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Hi,

First post!

I'm 51. Diagnosed about a decade ago and exercised and dieted my way out and then slid back in about 2 years ago when started metformin and a statin.

In summer started Vegan before Six eating program and over next 4 months lost about 25 pounds from 6'4 and 275 to now about 250. Exercise pretty regularly.

So went for quarterly A1C feeling pretty smug and thinking would get a great number and up popped an 11 way above the 7.7 that got me on Metformin. I have been taking a 3mg melatonin supplement from Costco daily fro about 3 years and was my only supplement. When got high A1c google found me a study that showed some people experience a substantial rise in blood sugar with the use of melatonin.

http://blog.dansplan.com/research-reveals-an-odd-connection-between-melatonin-and-type-2-diabetes/

After freaking out stopped the supplement and in next 3 weeks saw fasting levels drop from alarming 12- 16 levels to 7 - 8.5. Still seems to be dropping. My GP freaked out and was all set for the insulin talk etc. I went out to get meter as soon as got the high reading but previously tested infrequently.

Anyone else experience this and if so how long did it take to get it out of system and get consistent readings.
 

Guzzler

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Are you aware that statins are known to raise bg levels? Metformin has little effect on bg levels but is prescribed to limilt the effects of liver dump and is a mild appetite suppressant. I will page @daisy1 who will swing by and give you some really good advice offered to all newcomers. Other members will also be able to comment on melatonin which I am not familiar with with.

Welcome to the forum btw.
 
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daisy1

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@RedVespa

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I may be wrong but I thought Melatonin was taken as an aid to help sleep not as a daily supplement. There was a thread here recently about it

PS the thread is headed ..Insomnia...but I do not know how to put the link to it
 

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My son who has autism has been on melatonin doses of 2 - 8mg nightly for 15 years so it can be a daily drug this was prescribed by a consultant as it's only licensed for over 65s in the UK

she said to me "I bet you could do with some of this too (my son only slept for a max of 2 hours a night from he was 5 up to 14 then it improved) I laughed and said yeah- she said " I'd love to give you some but as your diabetic you wouldn't want it as as it will play absolute havoc with your blood sugar" - If I was you I would try to do without it and see what happens - is the dose your taking slow release? 3mg is quite high if it is
 

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Dr. Richard Wurtman himself stated that people should not self medicate with melatonin

“With some hormones, if you take too much you can really put your body in danger,” says Dr. Wurtman. “With melatonin, you’re not in danger, but you’re also not very comfortable. It won’t kill you, but it’ll make your life pretty miserable.”

https://vanwinkles.com/the-dark-side-downsides-side-effects-of-melatonin