Metformin not working

Andybiff

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Hey all.

Had my recent HBA1C results and my results are 7.5 up from 6.9. the nurse was less than happy and wants to put me on more meds. said as i am currently on 2g a day ie 2 am and 2 pm after meals that thats the max dose. and in order to bring my glucose down i need to go on more meds. cant remember the name think its gly something. also said i would need to test my glucose with a monitor esp before driving.

Have noticed myself that the testing i do has been creeping up in the morning had a 12.9 this morning well i say morniong when i got up at 2pm. Lazy ****** i hear you say but ive been so tired lately, prob due to high glucose im guessing.

Should i be worried?
 

wendle

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hi andy,

im no expert but when i was on metformin 850mg 3 x daily, it harldy touched my sugars. the doc put me on gliclazide. but i honestly believe that my sugars would still be high if i hadnt reigned in my eating habits. i watch my carbs now.whats your diet like?

wendle x
 

lucylocket61

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Diet only
hello Andy,

I too am having to change my diet in order to keep my blood glucose levels down. What sort of diet are you following? I have to restrict my carbs/sugars.
 

Grazer

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Hi Andy. Metformin is a good safe drug, but will only do a very little to reduce your Blood sugar levels. You will need to either take the new meds, or, preferably, change your diet which will have a FAR bigger effect than the metformin would. And yes, if you don't get your BGs down, you should be worried.
In general terms you will need to reduce the total number of carbohydrates you eat per day. All carbohydrates turn to sugar when we eat them, and no type 2 diabetic on diet only, or on diet and metformin only, can control their blood sugars (BGs) without controlling their carb intake. Even those on strong medication normally choose to control their carb intake to keep the level of medication they take down. The total number of carbs per day you can eat depends on how advanced your diabetes is. It’s perhaps worth starting at about 50% of normal levels for a non-diabetic then adjusting up or down according to how you get on. So that means eating 150 grams of carbs per day for a man, 125 for a woman. You can read the total carb content of food under “nutritional info” on the packet or wrapping, or look it up on the internet for loose food. Just google “carb content..”
You also need to stop or reduce the bad carbs; that is the starchy ones that make your BG go up quickly.
So obviously no sugar or glucose! But also no white bread, white rice, pasta, flour products like pastry, cake and batter. You can eat a little basmati rice, wholewheat pasta or the tri-color pasta fusilli ones in small quantities. Boiled new potatos (again not too many) are OK but not old pots mashed, boiled or in their jackets. (Roast is not so bad, the fat slows their absorption and conversion to glucose in the blood) Amongst other veg, parsnips are about the worst for BG, and carrots not great but ok in smaller amounts.
Multi grain bread (not wholemeal) is not SO bad, but lots of us eat Burgen soya and linseed bread from tescos and sainsburys, although all bread should be in limited amounts.
All fruit has carbohydrates, and needs to be included in the amounts of carbs you eat in a day. For most people, bananas are about the worst for pushing our BG up and berries (like strawberries, raspberries etc) are the least bad.
No sweeties!
Exercise is important. I tend to exercise about an hour after eating when I know my BG will be peaking. This helps to bring it down quicker and further. I do ten minutes hard work on an exercise machine, but you could run up and down stairs for ten minutes or go for a brisk walk.
Returning to types of food and quantities of carbs - you can only find out how many you can eat by testing. Most type 2’s are not given access to testing equipment, so you should get your own – although try arguing with your Doc that you want to manage to NICE guideline blood sugar levels, and can’t do that without testing! If you have to buy a meter, they are cheap and most manufacturers will give them away for free. They make their money on the strips you have to use! So go for the meter with the cheapest testing strips. The SD Codefree available on the internet is about the cheapest at the moment. Some people test before and after eating, on waking (fasting test) and before bed. But if you have limited strips because of cost, the key to me is testing 2 hours after eating. If your BG is above, say, 7.8 at that stage, you need to cut down on the carb content the next time you have that meal. Test after various different meals and you soon get to see a pattern of what you can and can’t eat, and in what quantities. Keep careful records of what you ate and when, together with the result, so you can refer back at a later date. You can then reduce your testing. I said “below, say, 7.8” because NICE guidelines are below 8.5 but most of us think that’s a little high. 7.8 is the max. level at 2 hours after eating that a non-diabetic normally gets to so is perhaps a better target. Some then set progressively lower targets.
Do ask lots of questions; there is normally an answer on here. The more you get to learn about your diabetes, the better it will be.
Good luck!
 

hanadr

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Metformin can only bring sugars down a bit even at maximum dose, which Ithink is 3 gm per day.
The alternative to more medication is to eat less of the foods which raise BG. that is; sugars and starches. Plus increase exercise, although that also has only a smallish effect unless you do LOADS of exercise. You have to think it through and decide which option suits you best. And Don't let the DSN push you in a direction you don't want to go in. Just be politely assertive.
Hana
 

paragliderpete

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Hi I agree with grazer. Any oral medication will only have a relitively small affect on your blood sugars. About 80% of the control come from dietry control, i.e your intake of carbs. Unfortunately we are all different in our tolerence to carbs, and have to reduce our intake until will regain control again.
Try if you can not to go onto gliclizide. I did approx 2 years ago, and whilst I have good control of my blood sugars I've been unable to come off these tablets. But if you are the same then It's nothing to unduly worry about. they don't cause me any problems. They do however carry a risk of causing low blood sugars.
 

Daibell

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If you have a pancreas that still works well, Gliclazide can work in bringing sugars further down. It does have the risk of hypos. If like me your pancreas has seen better days Glic will have little effect. If so, then Sitagliptin is worth considering. As always, keep your carb consumption at sensible levels to avoid too much unecessary medication.
 

Grazer

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Bare in mind that gliclazide on the pancreas is like putting a turbo on a tired engine. It certainly improves performance, but wears out the motor even quicker. That's why people on glic often have to have increasing levels of it and eventually progress to other meds. I believe that wearing out the pancreas ("over-stressing" the pancreas) is a well known effect of glic.