My nurse can drink milk, one of her patients cant, as they are lactose intolerant. Would the nurse be hypocritical to have some milk while talking to my friend?
How do we know if the doctor eats pie and chips every so often? Thats the same mentality as people who give dirty looks and make comments at overweight people enjoying a meal out, with a desert or without a desert. And how do we know why someone is overweight, their physical and mental and emotional battles on a daily basis?
Is winning a battle worth nothing if we dont see a war being won?
Too much judging going on in the world, too much hypocrisy, too much telling others to be more than human, while being less than human themselves. Its not just fat shaming, its mental health issues, its addiction issues, its everything. We have the means to support each other and up build each other globally by using social media (including forums) all we concentrate on Us and Them shaming for all sorts of reasons.
I have been to the hospital enough times to witness that they do not practice what they preach.
My nurse can drink milk, one of her patients cant, as they are lactose intolerant. Would the nurse be hypocritical to have some milk while talking to my friend?
How do we know if the doctor eats pie and chips every so often? Thats the same mentality as people who give dirty looks and make comments at overweight people enjoying a meal out, with a desert or without a desert. And how do we know why someone is overweight, their physical and mental and emotional battles on a daily basis?
Is winning a battle worth nothing if we dont see a war being won?
Too much judging going on in the world, too much hypocrisy, too much telling others to be more than human, while being less than human themselves. Its not just fat shaming, its mental health issues, its addiction issues, its everything. We have the means to support each other and up build each other globally by using social media (including forums) all we concentrate on Us and Them shaming for all sorts of reasons. Well if the doctor did not judge me, then I would not have thought about his eating habits. By him giving me advice on what to eat etc and my weight, then he brought it to my attention.
Its sad.
Yes, you are right there. I ate the foods that the medical profession told me to and put on weight and I could not understand why. When telling doctors that I eat healthy meals, they would look at me with you know that look "Hmm sure" but having said that I have witnessed on many occasion doctors nurses eating really bad foods, and it is the foods that they are telling me never to eat, which I didn't anyways. There was a piece in the paper last year I think where doctors and nurses were being told to eat a more healthy diet as some patients will not take them seriously when handing out dietary adviceAnd I seriously wonder how many people have had amputations and sight problems due to the advice they have given out for years?
They maybe should not be "fat shamed" (even if I'm not convinced that's what the tweet was doing) but they sure as hell should be ashamed...
Some hospitals will not do surgery if people are overweight, and I am not talking about people who are very obese either. I know my son had to give up smoking for 3 months before they would do hip surgery.Two Wrongs Dont Make A Right : )
Yes the medical profession does like to punish the obese because 'it's their own fault', not quite the same as smoking IMO. I understand that obesity can cause problems in surgery, but the obese person needs help all the same.Some hospitals will not do surgery if people are overweight, and I am not talking about people who are very obese either. I know my son had to give up smoking for 3 months before they would do hip surgery.
I have been thinking about this. Do you think there's an element of feeling sorry for those who need to put on weight and one of blaming those who need to lose it? Or is it easier to understand the problems of someone who has been ill and needs to gain weight? Or do the dieticians see what works for themselves and assume it works for all obese people? Just musing, Ill run along and do something useful now lol.Dietitians have been very helpful, and compassionate to several of my loved ones who due to serious and sometimes terminal health conditions have had problems with their diet. Usually the loved ones were losing weight and not getting adequate nutrition. The only issues I have had with them have been around advice given regarding weight loss, and managing diabetes.
Gave you a winner for your comment to the doc..... here's a hug for your thyroid issues and the fact that the doc was horrid (((())))I once went to a doctor because I kept feeling hot. He told me that I had too much lagging around my tank..I told him that he had too much around his mouth lol. Like I have said before I have never been morbidly obese just a bit overweight. It turned out that I had Thyroid issues.
Surely its just that they are stuck in the paradigm that says behaviours cause obesity e.g. gluttony and sloth or if you are a slightly less medievil dietician, emotional eating or being in an obesogenic environment. It must be hard to offer advice to people that you feel are partly responsible for their own condition and advice that you know they will struggle to follow.. A person who is underweight is a more morally pleasing prospect as they are the victims of some kind even though it can be really hard for these patients to gain weight too!I have been thinking about this. Do you think there's an element of feeling sorry for those who need to put on weight and one of blaming those who need to lose it? Or is it easier to understand the problems of someone who has been ill and needs to gain weight? Or do the dieticians see what works for themselves and assume it works for all obese people? Just musing, Ill run along and do something useful now lol.
Yes I was a little annoyed with him..I was only 34 and not long had a baby 3 months previousGave you a winner for your comment to the doc..... here's a hug for your thyroid issues and the fact that the doc was horrid (((())))
Surely its just that they are stuck in the paradigm that says behaviours cause obesity e.g. gluttony and sloth or if you are a slightly less medievil dietician, emotional eating or being in an obesogenic environment. It must be hard to offer advice to people that you feel are partly responsible for their own condition and advice that you know they will struggle to follow.. A person who is underweight is a more morally pleasing prospect as they are the victims of some kind even though it can be really hard for these patients to gain weight too!
I think I may well have... such restraint!I felt like saying 'Nuh nuh nee nuh nuhh' at her given the woefully poor dietary advice she gave me.
That's exactly it in my view. People who need to put on weight are victims of some kind in the eyes of dieticians. Why can't they see that obese people are no different, there's a reason they are obese, no one sets out to be obese, just as no one sets out to get cancer etc.Surely its just that they are stuck in the paradigm that says behaviours cause obesity e.g. gluttony and sloth or if you are a slightly less medievil dietician, emotional eating or being in an obesogenic environment. It must be hard to offer advice to people that you feel are partly responsible for their own condition and advice that you know they will struggle to follow.. A person who is underweight is a more morally pleasing prospect as they are the victims of some kind even though it can be really hard for these patients to gain weight too!
Yes the medical profession does like to punish the obese because 'it's their own fault', not quite the same as smoking IMO. I understand that obesity can cause problems in surgery, but the obese person needs help all the same.
Oh most definitely! Overweight and obese people are generally considered by HCPs and indeed media and general public to be greedy, idle, junk food gobbling liars. I do wonder sometimes if they ever have to complete regular Continuing Professional Development training. Surely that is a requirement for all HCPs. They have to keep a portfolio of training and development they have undertaken. What on earth do dietitians post qualification courses teach? Of course their are forward thinking members of the profession, but it seems all NHS care is now reduced to the 'tick box' guidleine protocol, that it is difficult to break away from.I have been thinking about this. Do you think there's an element of feeling sorry for those who need to put on weight and one of blaming those who need to lose it? Or is it easier to understand the problems of someone who has been ill and needs to gain weight? Or do the dieticians see what works for themselves and assume it works for all obese people? Just musing, Ill run along and do something useful now lol.
Anesthesia is calculated by weight, and its more difficult to calculate the anesthetic need in bigger people, especially when adjusting for the overall fat content, which absorbs the anesthetic differently . Due to breathing issues, anesthetizing bigger people and smokers is more risky, as is the risk of post-op embolism higher.Some hospitals will not do surgery if people are overweight, and I am not talking about people who are very obese either. I know my son had to give up smoking for 3 months before they would do hip surgery.
Wish we had audio posting so I could hear that!But how does a dietitian come to that initial conclusion esp during the first consultation? I am referring to a patient who may struggle to follow given advice? I had my third A1c result given by my DN over the phone. The surprise in her voice was evident and this came after the 'threat' of insulin treatment she waved at me at our first meeting. I felt like saying 'Nuh nuh nee nuh nuhh' at her given the woefully poor dietary advice she gave me.
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