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Milkshake Tax

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Listlad, Jun 28, 2019.

  1. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Moderator
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    Well, here on this forum, if someone said ‘tax the obese’ there would be outcry.
    Especially when so many T2s are obese because of the insulin resistance they have, not because they are eating any differently than the non-obese.
    So why is it OK to shift the blame onto parents? Especially when those parents are probably also insulin resistant, and making food choices based on the same cultural, social, economic and media pressures that everyone else makes?

    Children who have insulin resistance are (like adults) less likely to want to play sports. Whereas those without insulin resistance are not likely to get obese in the first place.
    They are now the third? fourth? generation brought up with increasingly processed foods, dietary misinformation, and growing insulin resistance. Might as well blame the grandparents, or the great grandparents. After all, they are the ones who listened to Ancel Keys and transformed farming and food manufacture towards the current trends - and they taught their children to be less active and eat the modern way.
     
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  2. Mbaker

    Mbaker Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Just tinkering around the edges. Just truthfully educate everyone without bias.

    The research I have done shows even high whole food carb sources with similar quality fats and protein have population benefits, the minute added sugar is parachuted in (with flour and oil), the results speak for themselves.
     
  3. Robbity

    Robbity Type 2 · Expert

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    I'd prefer to see them put a sugar tax on the producers of any foods or drinks with unnecessary added sugar (in any form). Anyone who wants sweet can add their own sweetener in whatever form they choose. But I suppose no-one would (except maybe us?) would buy the stuff then...

    Robbity
     
  4. Nyxks

    Nyxks Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Lol
    We've had a tax on non essential food for over 20 years n it doesn't stop ppl from buying it at all.
     
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  5. Tipetoo

    Tipetoo Type 2 · Expert

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    I still play sport twice a week, I am not competitive as I was, but I still get out into the fresh air exercising playing lawn bowls. My sons still play sport as well.
     
  6. Rustytypin

    Rustytypin Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, a tax on things you don’t like? Be careful what you wish for!
    If you tax one food then it becomes simpler to tax others, for example, there is talk of taxing meat, and how would that go down with the majority on this site?
    Personally I am in favour of better education but that is not likely to happen, what with the Eatbadly plate being so loved by those who have a vested interest in keeping the Status Quo.
     
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  7. DavidGrahamJones

    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Not all gloom and doom then?
     
  8. JohnEGreen

    JohnEGreen Other · Master

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    True.

    Food and drink for human consumption is usually zero-rated but some items are always standard-rated. These include catering, alcoholic drinks, confectionery, crisps and savoury snacks, hot food, sports drinks, hot takeaways, ice cream, soft drinks and mineral water.
    Restaurants must always charge VAT on everything eaten either on their premises or in communal areas designated for their customers to use, such as shared tables in a shopping centre or airport food courts.
    In addition, restaurants and takeaway vendors must charge VAT on all hot takeaways and home deliveries, but don’t need to charge VAT on cold takeaway food unless it’s to be eaten in a designated area.
    Certain animals, animal feeding products, plants and seeds also qualify for the zero-rate, but only if the conditions in the following VAT Notices are met, however products packaged as pet food are standard rated.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services
     
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  9. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    No. But I appreciate it might not be the same everywhere.
     
  10. WuTwo

    WuTwo Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    The best way to make sure many of the kids don't get obese* is never to educate them into thinking sweet=treat. I used to adore sweet things and it took a long time to get myself to the point where I really, really don't like the taste of sweet stuff. Sugar has a filthy undertaste that lingers and sweeteners are worse.

    Years ago I read John Yudkin's ahead of its time book - Pure, White & Deadly - and it had the effect of making me instantly cut down my sugar intake. Brilliant book - he was vilified, ridiculed and ostracised by the academic community as a result of it, but of course is now fully vindicated.

    If sugars weren't added to foods - or sweeteners - then we'd get kids liking food for its own flavour. Of course, that wouldn't suit Big Food because the kids probably wouldn't like the muck pumped out as treats at the moment.

    ETA * I realise the situation is different for the insulin resistant, but a lot of non-IR would benefit.
     
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  11. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Nice slant @WuTwo
     
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