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Jax65

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I have been diagnosed as type 2 last week. Told to eat normally over the weekend then get a HbA1c test today, and following the test follow the heathy eating plan given to me by the Diabetes Nurse last week.
I tested before and after meals over the weekend when I was eating normally and go good steady readings of between 4.5 and 6. Tested tonight after following the heathy eating plan and got a reading of 8.9 after dinner!!! Why???
I'm feeling so stressed and confused, I have cried on and off all day and couldn't concentrate on my work, I feel like I'm in a complete nightmare.
 
Hello Jax65 and welcome to the forum.

Daisy will be along with the info pack soon I expect but in the meantime...

Don't be dis-heartened by readings between 4.5 and 6 they are excellent and near enough in the range of a non diabetic! Getting the 8.9 after following the healthy eating plan should tell you one very simple thing. Its wrong and not healthy for you.

I have just posted the following to another new member so you may notice some similarities - sorry.

For a good place to start cut down on carbohydrates especially the starchy ones rice, pasta, potatoes, bread and pastry. Cutting drastically or better still stopping completely anything sweet with a high sugar content is taken for granted. Sugar is just a refined form of carbohydrate.

You may find the advice I've given you will conflict with later advice you may get from your NHS dietitian (or in your case your Healthy eating Plan) but you will have to believe that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that cutting carbohydrates is the key the only real debate we have is by how much. If you were Swedish or in one of the more enlightened countries this advice would be told to you on diagnosis however the NHS still relies on diet info that is now nearly 40 years old and is very out of date.

Try halving all of the starchy carbohydrates you currently eat. That's bound to make you hungry so replace what you drop with meat, cheese, eggs, fish and especially vegetables. Try to eat vegetables that grow above ground rather than below although many of us find carrots to be ok. If you like fruit then a small amounts are fine and the ones ending with "berry" are the best. Things like yoghurt should be fine in moderation as well.

On the half you have left try the following

Change white rice to brown basmati rice
Change white bread to wholemeal or better Burgen soya bread
Change white pasta to brown or green or the tri colour stuff

Never eat mashed potatoes it's the one form of potatoes that nearly all diabetic have real problems with. Believe it or not the best potatoes for diabetics are roast ones.

I was diagnosed just 10 weeks ago with extremely high blood sugar levels and by following the great advice I found on this forum I now have my blood sugar levels back to nearly being in a non diabetic range at all times of the day. Cutting carbohydrates is not a cure but will allow you to get control of things and will certainly make you feel a lot better.

I must be truthful and say doing this has been hard work but it gets easier everyday. Also I must be truthful and warn you that cutting your carbs by half may not be enough as many of us on here have found. I still get to eat some of the things I've warned you about but in no where near the quantities I used to. Saying that 10 weeks down the line I hardly miss them now.

I see you are already testing so that's great. For better effect write the readings down along with what you've eaten then take it along to your next appointment to show them how well YOU are doing.

Take care and keep asking as many questions as you need to.
 
Dont panic Jax.it all seems daunting at first but it will start to make sense. You obviously ate something at that meal that sent your sugar levels up; too many starchy carbs. Although it wasnt that high! Your "healthy eating" info may not be the sort of thing most of us agree with. Daisy will be along with a post for new members which will explain a lot of things about diet and being diabetic. Also depends on when you tested- did you do it 2 hours after eating? If you did it earlier it wouldn't surprise me at all that you got a reading like that. So wait for Daisy's Post, and meanwhile cheer up! Most of us have had readings well into the teens when we started.
And welcome!
 
As you may have learnt already healthy eating means different things to different people, pasta may be great for weight loss/low fat diets but can't be tolerated by many diabetics. All I did was read all the advice here and made small changes that'd fit into my life comfortably, works for me as I made sure they were changes I could keep to.
 
Thanks to you all who have replied, I think that you may be right and pasta may be my problem today! I will keep reading posts on here and see if I han work on my own eating plan because I agree it does involve far to many starchy carbs
 
Hi Jax and welcome to the forum :) Don't worry - it's not as bad as it seems at first and you will get the hang of it very quickly. You have already received a lot of good advice. Here is the information that xyzzy and Grazer both referred to in their posts. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
Hi. The good news is that you can eat proteins and fats without too much concern; unsaturated fats where you can of course. Nice to be able to have fried egg and bacon for breakfast knowing it will not increase my BS as much as even my home-made muesli does. The advice you've had so far on the forum I would agree with. I had a small wholemeal pasta and tuna last night together with a small portion of home-made fruit crumble with Splendar sweetening and my BS sky-rocketed. Just measure and make decisions accordingly.
 
Doc called today and has put me on Metformin! Im not really sure how I feel about this to be honest as i already take quite a lot of medication for other conditions.

What is the general feeling in the forum about this particular drug?
 
It's a good drug. Won't bring your BGs down much, diet and exercise will do that, but it' a good preventative against future potential cardio problems. Also helps with weight loss if you need to do that. Take it. Some people get side effects initially like wind, diarhoea, etc but it normally wears off quickly. If not, there is a slow release version that has less effects. Lots of people on here can't get it because they have weight and BG well under control, but would LIKE to have it!
 
Jax65 said:
I have been diagnosed as type 2 last week. Told to eat normally over the weekend then get a HbA1c test today, and following the test follow the heathy eating plan given to me by the Diabetes Nurse last week.
I tested before and after meals over the weekend when I was eating normally and go good steady readings of between 4.5 and 6. Tested tonight after following the heathy eating plan and got a reading of 8.9 after dinner!!! Why???
I'm feeling so stressed and confused, I have cried on and off all day and couldn't concentrate on my work, I feel like I'm in a complete nightmare.

I would love to help you but have been told officially that I cannot give out any specific dietary advice. So that means there is little reason for me to come here again! So I am off to do something more useful instead.
 
Hope my message got through to you Steve - I find the private messaging system a bit confusing to use!
 
I agree with Grazer. It a pretty harmless drug apart from the stomach problems it causes some poeple. My Doc put me onto the SR version to start with so don't know what the vanilla version would have been like. It's never given me any issues at all even with the max dose. Yes, don't expect miracles with it but it does help most with T2s with insulin resistance
 
Yes on it as well. By far the safest diabetic drug as it acts passively to stop your blood taking up glucose rather than making your overworked pancreas work even harder. I take 3 x 500mg of the normal stuff and it doesn't cause me a problem so long as I behave food wise. Don't expect miracles and just use it as addition to your diet.
 
yeah i'm on 1 tablet a day and as long as i take it with food, and I mean pop the pill in mid mouthful of food I get no problems
 
Thanks everyone for advice. I have taken my first dose this evening with my evening meal. I have been told to take one a day for one week then increase by 1 a week up to to doses of 2x500 twice a day. Is this a normal dose?
I have noted what I have eaten today and have had 95g of carbs and 1270 cals. Is this a sensible amount for me to be eating? I am sorry for all the questions but only being diagnosed a week ago I am still getting to grips with it all
 
No probs with the questions.

I got the same advise start with one and then up the dose in steps of a week.

95g to around 120g of carbs looks a good place to start imo. Just make sure you have stuff in the house so you can top up with non carb stuff if you get hungry.
 
Jax65 said:
have noted what I have eaten today and have had 95g of carbs and 1270 cals. Is this a sensible amount for me to be eating

Good place to start in terms of number of carbs. You need to test in conjunction with that. If levels remain too high, lower it a little. If they come down well, you could increase a little.
With regards to calories, it depends on your current weight situation. If you need to lose weight, that's fine. If you don't, or if you start to lose too much (like me), then you will need to top up the cals while keeping the carbs steady. Things like cheese, boiled eggs, nuts (some carbs, but quite good carbs, leave out cashews), and so on are handy additions. Of course, more meat and fish adds to the cals with no carbs.
 
Ref Metformin dosage, I think you'll find that for the plain version it's a maximum of 3000mg per day and for the SR version it's 2000mg; have a look at the leaflet or the web. As usual for many meds, doubling the dose doesn't double the effect.
 
Max dosage for regular metformin is 2000mg per day (ie 2 x 500mg twice a day) this is for new people, I've been on it for four years and take 3 x 850mg as this is the old max dose and haven't been downgraded.
 
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