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New diabetic but why no testing?

chocolover

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Hi
i discovered i was new type 2 after a well man visit to my doctors (i had realized something was amiss as i had dry mouth) anyhoo my blood was 18 in that test, i did a 12 hour fast test and it was 9 but had some sort of higher background score of 11

i had to go on holiday but on return was put on metformin, now on 3 per day. however my practice nurse at the gp's says i do not not need to self test, i am due back in about 6 weeks when the metformin needs renewal and i will be doing another test.
but why no testing is it because of cost?
Cheers cl
 
Hi chocolover and welcome to the forum :) Yes, unfortunately they don't want you to test because of cost although they will probably say that it will stress/depress you. But it is necessary to test, at least at first, to see how different foods affect your levels, so that you can control them better. Many members have to self-fund, you can get free meters from manufacturers if you phone them, and then get strips off the web. Try to choose a manufacturer who produces cheap strips. I think some members will be able to let you know which ones come out cheapest. Here is some information which I think will be helpful to you in starting to get control of your levels. Ask as many questions as you need to as there is always someone here to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi,

i went to my Docs today and had my test strips put on prescription. I wouldnt bother asking the nurse as she is the first line of defense. Go to your Doc and ask directly but put up a good line. You need them to find out which carbs cause you the most problems and then reduce your intake and not go on medication which will save the NHS loads of dosh. I was all planned with this info but the Doc just gave them to me. :D Saves 15 quid a pop on feebay. If you dont ask and then ask again you dont get. Dont bother the nurse about it, she is only doing what she has been told. Good luck.

Andy
 
I've not been to the Diabetic Nurse for my first visit yet, was diagnosed on 6 December. My local PCT doesn't allow for monitors and test strips to be given on prescription. Luckily I have a monitor that my late mum used and my sister (who's PCT does pay for strips) gives me her spare strips (she's diabetic too!).

For the first couple of weeks I was testing several times a day, but this week I've decided not to test at all but I will test before my appointment next week to see if hers matches mine! I do think it is a good idea for T2s to have a monitor but I found myself becoming too OCD over it all and then found the battery was going and got some wrong readings - had to check 3 times to make sure on one test!

I might ask my GP himself if the nurse doesn't prescribe them for me but as the PCT doesn't want to pay for them I'm not going to hold my breathe over it.
 
It can be very useful to test in the mornings and 2hrs after meals in the week before your visit to the nurse. even if you don't test regularly at other time
Do you know if she will be doing a blood test or what sort of test.? Knowing hwat your levels are like at differnt times can be very useful to everyone concerned.

It is all very confusing and overwhelming at first but if you know a little about your own levels it puts yoou a little more in control over your own condition. Otherwise its just guesswork.
 
Hi there -

I'm a Metformin-dependent Type 2 with blood glucose well under control thanks to testing.

My diabetic nurse fought with me not to test. Thank goodness I didn't listen to her. Thanks to buying my own monitor and test strips I discovered that although my BG was fine in the morning it was going very high after meals. That explained why I had been feeling exhausted and almost unable to work. I immediately reduced the amount of carbohydrate at lunch and persuaded a GP to allow me to take more Metformin.

Without testing I would have gone on feeling exhausted for 3 months by which time the surgery might have found a raised HbA!c.

Testing is very useful at the start of one's diabetic career. Later on it's less likely to be vital as one will know how one's body reacts.

Best of luck for a quick return to good health.

Kasia
 
chocolover said:
however my practice nurse at the gp's says i do not not need to self test, is it because of cost?

Nail on head cl :thumbup:

Welcome to the forum BTW. The current max dose of Metformin is 4 X 500mg tablets taken two with breakfast and two with your evening meal - it is always best to take them with food as they can produce some alarming side effects which is why they are often referred to amongst diabetics as metfartin :lol:

The max dose will help to reduce your bg levels by around 2 mmol/L so to get them down to acceptable levels they will need some help from you in the form of diet. Most of us here have discovered that by reducing the amount of carbs we eat our blood glucose (bg) levels have come down to acceptable levels but to do that you either need to cut out all obvious carbs or start testing your bg levels before you eat and two hours after you eat and cut back on the carbs till you reach those acceptable levels, at first you will see a large difference between your pre meal and post meal/postprandial levels, you need to check every meal and start reducing the carb portions till the difference between pre meal and postprandial readings are no more than about 1 or 2 mmol/L, this will in turn reduce all your other readings.

Simply put you will never know what your postprandial bg levels are unless you test. I would guess that if all doctors and nurses were diabetic they would be more inclined to prescribe testing meters and test strips to every diabetic and not just those using insulin, you will find many threads here talking about the prescription of test strips it comes up quite regularly.

The N.I.C.E. recommend that for a T2 diabetic that your bg levels should be within the following guidelines.
Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes

Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l

Ask your doctor how you are to know what they are without testing? It might just work if he/she knows you want to be pro active in your diabetic care, many are not.
 
chocolover said:
Hi
i discovered i was new type 2 after a well man visit to my doctors (i had realized something was amiss as i had dry mouth) anyhoo my blood was 18 in that test, i did a 12 hour fast test and it was 9 but had some sort of higher background score of 11

i had to go on holiday but on return was put on metformin, now on 3 per day. however my practice nurse at the gp's says i do not not need to self test, i am due back in about 6 weeks when the metformin needs renewal and i will be doing another test.
but why no testing is it because of cost?
Cheers cl


I would highly recommend getting a meter and beginning testing as soon as you possibly can. I was told the same thing by my doctor and I completely disagree with such lax advice. 18mm is an extremely high level, it is a very damaging level at which complications are very likely - that means your eyes, kidneys, toes are all at risk. It is vital for you to look carefully at your diet and reduce your carboyhdrate intake drastically. Continue eating good quality proteins like meat, eggs, fish etc but restrict your carbs. Test every morning for your fasting level and get it down to below 6mm. Check 2 hours after each meal and ensure you are below 6.7mm. The metformin will help you to accomplish that.

You can get free or cheap meters, it is expensive to buy the strips but so what? It is an investment in your health. After a few weeks you will get to know what you can and cannot eat and can reduce the amount of testing accordingly.

good luck.
 
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