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Henry126

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Hi
Just been brought into the world of you all and read a lot most contradicts itself in my view but different strokes as they say.
One main question .
First time blood test on my meter , got up tested myself 7.4 had breakfast shredded wheat x 2 one boiled egg on rye and a coffee.

Two hour later after taking my metformin x2, in the morning one in the afternoon Doc said.

My reading was 10.5, whats that all about and what should I do to get it down. Do I eat some thing or what??
 

Element137

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Welcome - With a meter you will soon see what spikes your levels - but based on your question :
Shredded Wheat = carbs = sugar = potential spike
Boiled Egg = virtually no carbs = no spike
Rye Bread = carbs = sugar = potential spike
If you have a read around on here you will see the impact that carbs can have on your levels - different people get different effects, and can tolerate different levels of carbs - but in general eating carbs will affect your levels to varying degree. Two shredded wheat approx. 36g of carb, slice of rye bread approx 11g of carbs - egg approx 0.6g of carbs so in one go you have took in nearly 50g of carb - that's about two days worth of carbs for me to put some context to it.
 
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daisy1

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@Henry126

Hello Henry and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Resurgam

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You did exactly what is necessary to increase your blood sugar reading - you ate carbohydrates.
If you do the opposite, and remove carbohydrates then you will see lower readings - and if you stick to eating low carb meals then with any luck your average levels will then begin to drop down too, so you start off lower.
The Metformin has little effect on your meter readings if you eat carbohydrates.
 

Prem51

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Hi @Henry126 and welcome to the forum. Well done on getting a meter and testing. It is how you will find out what spikes you. I thought I was ok eating porridge for breakfast until I tested and found that it had raised my bs to over 10. I stopped eating it then.
It seems that the shredded wheat, and probably the rye too, has spiked your bs, so you need to give them a miss. Maybe a LIDL protein roll instead?
 

Bluetit1802

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Hi @Henry126 and welcome,

I agree totally with the others. All carbs turn to glucose once inside the system, and we are trying to get rid of our glucose, so eating it isn't a good idea!

Use your meter to test before eating and 2 hours after first bite, record your levels in a food diary (including portion sizes). Look at the rise from before to after, and that is what the carbs in your meal have done to you. Try to keep any rise under 2mmol/l and preferably a lot less.

Have a good read round, and ask as many questions as you like.
 
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Hi @Henry126 and welcome to the forum. It takes a while to absorb all the information you will find on this site - but it is worth the effort as it pays dividends in the long run. We are all individuals and there are many different diet options to choose from. It is good that you are testing your reaction to what you eat, it is a good indicator of what foods to avoid, so be prepared for making some changes and replacing with alternatives. It is not all bad, why not try some bacon and egg for breakfast or perhaps some mixed berries with full fat greek style yoghurt. You will be surprised at what you can eat and how much better you feel once you are in control of your blood sugars. It took me a fair bit of time to adjust my eating habits, and I was always of the opinion that I ate healthily before diagnosis!! Good luck and keep posting.
 

Henry126

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To many to put on here but that's getting older for you.
Hi
Just been brought into the world of you all and read a lot most contradicts itself in my view but different strokes as they say.
One main question .
First time blood test on my meter , got up tested myself 7.4 had breakfast shredded wheat x 2 one boiled egg on rye and a coffee.

Two hour later after taking my metformin x2, in the morning one in the afternoon Doc said.

My reading was 10.5, whats that all about and what should I do to get it down. Do I eat some thing or what??
Hi
Thank you all for the welcome and reply .
Bought myself a book and will now track what sends me up and whats keeps me firing ok.
As you have all been there is gives you comfort having you guys there, what may seem a daft question is relevant to some one like me breaking new ground.
 

Rachox

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Hi
Thank you all for the welcome and reply .
Bought myself a book and will now track what sends me up and whats keeps me firing ok.
As you have all been there is gives you comfort having you guys there, what may seem a daft question is relevant to some one like me breaking new ground.

@Henry126, looks like we're diagnosis twins, I had my type 2 diabetes confirmed last week too! I have also found this forum to be a wealth of information and I haven't been made to feel I'm asking stupid questions. I feel totally over loaded with info but at the same time well prepared for the future.