It depends on what your blood glucose is doing. If it is above 3.9 mmol/l then it is sufficient. Below that is where it becomes dodgy and leading to brain fog etc. So you could be on very high carb, very high medication dose and still go unto hypoland, or you can fast or use low carb to drop the bgl low. It is not just carb intake level. Heavy and sustained exercise can do it (Paula Radcliffe in the Olympics marathon). Fasting can do it. Meds can do it.my DN (and others) say that I need 130g of dietary carb to achieve sufficient good brain function. If i am not doing keto, are they right that I need 130g a day, hence that being the level considered to be the low carb lowest safe threshold?
My question is basically - in ketosis people dont need carbs, as they have sufficient glucose to feed my brain. What about those of us not in ketosis? How many carbs do we need for efficient brain function? I dont think this is being addressed. I understand those doing keto can function brain-wise. Is there evidence for those us of on, for example, 60g of carbs a day, not producing ketones, are having enough glucose produced for our brains?
I hope this question is clear enough. Its difficult for me to explain.
My experience exactly! Could have written that myselfThis post from another forum made me laugh.. on calorie restriction..
https://www.ketogenicforums.com/t/dear-know-it-alls-you-were-right/104054
sorry, which bit are you answering (easily confused here lol)?My experience exactly! Could have written that myself
The brain requires glucose only for people who have not become fully fat adapted.
my DN (and others) say that I need 130g of dietary carb to achieve sufficient good brain function. If i am not doing keto, are they right that I need 130g a day, hence that being the level considered to be the low carb lowest safe threshold?
My question is basically - in ketosis people dont need carbs, as they have sufficient glucose to feed my brain. What about those of us not in ketosis? How many carbs do we need for efficient brain function? I dont think this is being addressed. I understand those doing keto can function brain-wise. Is there evidence for those us of on, for example, 60g of carbs a day, not producing ketones, are having enough glucose produced for our brains?
I hope this question is clear enough. Its difficult for me to explain.
Sorry...the link in bulkbikers last post...from ketogenic forums. When I added calories I began to lose weight.sorry, which bit are you answering (easily confused here lol)?
This may seem a stupid question to many .... but how would I know if I was fat adapted or not?@lucylocket61 I suspect that if you aren't fat adapted and are still using your brain and body then you are consuming enough carbs.I
From my own personal experience I think that HCPs mainly just don't know or don't want to know about keto.
Some of you might have read my previous post on this.... Sometimes (maybe a year or so) after starting eating a keto diet I had the usual annual review with the DN at my local surgery. She was pleased my Hba1c had gone right down but horrified that I was avoiding carbs and not injecting insulin. She told me keto was so incredibly bad for my brain that I would soon die if I didn't eat carbs because brains need a steady supply of glucose which is only provided by carbs. I asked how long death by keto would take - she thought about it for a moment or two and then decisively said 'three weeks '. I laughed and said i must already be dead then because I've been low carbing for a year.
This told me two things... she hadn't been listening to what I'd been saying and she wasn't up to date on the subject she was supposed to be specialising in.
A very good question. Another good question is " Is there such a thing as fat adapted"? Surely we are can all use fat when we need to or there wouldn't be much point in storing it.This may seem a stupid question to many .... but how would I know if I was fat adapted or not?
A very good question. Another good question is " Is there such a thing as fat adapted"? Surely we are can all use fat when we need to or there wouldn't be much point in storing it.
The liver will maintain a level of glucose in the bloodstream, so why do the glycogen stores not refill?Once you have burnt through your glucose stores and have ceased adding more glucose then yes you can starting burning your body fat.Until then unless you are running a marathon the switch is pretty unlikely.. the switch from burning glucose/cabs to fat comes with some metabolic cost which is why longest distance runners hit "the wall" .. for most they just top up on glucose to power through it. For the fat adapted runner it simply doesn't happen so far as I'm aware. That's why there are quite a few very low carb ultra-marathon runners.
The liver maintains the necessary level of glucose via gluconeogenesis but not enough to store?The liver will maintain a level of glucose in the bloodstream, so why do the glycogen stores not refill?
@lucylocket61 I suspect that if you aren't fat adapted and are still using your brain and body then you are consuming enough carbs.I
From my own personal experience I think that HCPs mainly just don't know or don't want to know about keto.
Some of you might have read my previous post on this.... Sometimes (maybe a year or so) after starting eating a keto diet I had the usual annual review with the DN at my local surgery. She was pleased my Hba1c had gone right down but horrified that I was avoiding carbs and not injecting insulin. She told me keto was so incredibly bad for my brain that I would soon die if I didn't eat carbs because brains need a steady supply of glucose which is only provided by carbs. I asked how long death by keto would take - she thought about it for a moment or two and then decisively said 'three weeks '. I laughed and said i must already be dead then because I've been low carbing for a year.
This told me two things... she hadn't been listening to what I'd been saying and she wasn't up to date on the subject she was supposed to be specialising in.
I agree, same for me. However, there appears to be a 'safe' level of carbs needed, in those who dont eat keto, to keep the brain functioning as well as possible.Having spent most of my life eating moderate amounts of both carbs and normal full fats, my brain definitely didn't get on with being bombarded with a surfeit of carbs - before I was diagnosed as T2 I ended up eating a too high carb diet due to retired carbaholic husband's shopping and cooking choices, and suffered about five years of awful debilitating zombie brain fog as a consequence. I didn't know what was wrong and GP kept blaming my weight...However, being diagnosed with T2 and immediately cutting right back down on carbs again very quickly restored me and my poor addled brain back to normal.
I've certainly come across a max level of carbs that I can tolerate, as have others.I agree, same for me. However, there appears to be a 'safe' level of carbs needed, in those who dont eat keto, to keep the brain functioning as well as possible.
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