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Hi , I've just been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes which came as a big shock.

I've been told my condition is not too bad as my fasting blood suger level was 10 (dunno what the units are) and that maybe through diet I can get it under control. Saying that I was put of metformin which I believe is SOC for this disease?

I am overweight, high BP etc so I obviously need to make a radical life style change. Are there any recommendations for good diets for people with Type 2 Diabetes as I imagine dieting and being on drugs that resensitise to insulin may cause problems?

Any help is appreciated

Toxicdog
 
Hi toxicdog and welcome to the forum.
There are various methods that people on the forum use to control their diabetes and so have a good read around. The main culprit for high readings is starchy carbohydrates, bread, potatoes, rice and pasta. You may find a reduction in these will lower your numbers. A reading of 10 is something you need to lower to under 7 to start with. This can be achieved by carbohydrate reduction. Perhaps if you could tell us a typical day's food intake we may be able to advise you.
Do you have a meter and test strips supplied by your G.P? The only way to find what works for you in the early stages is to test your reactions to foods you eat.
The metformin you have been prescribed will lower your numbers slightly. protect your heart and aid with the weight loss and many forum members use it.
By reducing your blood sugars and weight you will find that your B.P. will lower as well.
Come back with any questions you may have and someone will advise you and dont forget, no question is silly, we all had to start where you are now and we know how confusing it can be.

Hope this helps,
Catherine.
 
Hi Toxicdog and welcome

A fasting blood glucose (BG) of 10 is not as bad as some have.
Did you get a result for an HbA1c test ? this reflects your BG over the last 3 months.
Can you give us some idea of your current diet ?
 
Hi Toxicdog,
Catherine has given good information. The best way to reduce your numbers is to reduce carbohydrates. this can be anything from cutting out almost completely ( like Atkins induction) to just cutting your portions down, by half.
Sugar however, either natural or added, needs to GO! The other foods that need watching are, bread, potatoes( new ones are not so bad), pasta and rice. Essentially white root veggies and anything that originates from a grain.
Metformin is a safe reliable medicine, which acts on insulin sensitivity. Its major downside is that it causes "Tummy Grumblies" in many people and can be hard to deal with. Other people have nono of that effect. Maximim dose of Metformin can only bring numbers down by about 1.5( the units are millimoles per litre) The non-diabetic range is about 3.5 to 4.6. that's a target to aim for.
 
Hi Toxicdog,

I am new too ......... both to the forum and to T2 - was diagnosed just a couple of days ago, so found it all very bewildering, but these guys here have made me feel so very welcome and reassuring about it all.

There is a Low Carb forum here and it is well worth looking into and start a food diary to keep track of what you eat the calories and carbs - I have done that, and to my surprise my day yesterday turned up with 1722 cal but 197 carbs!! I too walk - about 4 miles a day, every day.

Today I am starting low carb eating and again I note down everything I eat and drink throughout the day, it has proven a good tool for me to control eating, although I stick to eating every 2-3 hours. Don't know if this is going to work, but I am sure it is worth trying.

I am really new to all this and not really the one to give advice (yet) but there are plenty of friendly people here to answer any questions you have and to support you every step of the way, me including!

Best
Alice
 
hi I am new to the foram and I am confused.I am told to eat plenty of carbs by my medics.and yet reading the advice on line it is suggested to eat less carbs.I play golf 3 or 4 times a week and swim the same amount.I am type 2.and my readings vary .from 4 to 8 mmol/l the lower reading after exercise regards. brian cunliffe.
 
Hi Brian.
Welcome to the forum.

Yes, you will be confused. There is no right or wrong way with your diet. If you can tolerate the starchy carbs and keep good control of your bg numbers, then go for it. An awful lot of us have reduced carbs as we are not able to tolerate the Diet you are probably talking about. There are a number of ways to keep control. Low GI, Low Carbs etc. I use a combination of both. Works well for me.
Your numbers on the face of it seem OK. Do you test first thing on waking, then perhaps 1 hr and 2 hrs after meals ? What are these numbers ? Once we know what they are maybe we can offer some better advice.

Cheers
Ken.
 
Thanks for the replies. Apart from avoiding sugary foods which is obvious I was given some brief information about diet that also included eating starchy foods like potatoes noodles rice etc. Given the propensity for carb to sugar conversion I thought these would be bad for me in any quantity.

My first thought for losing weight was by using a low GI based diet as I thought this was supposed to maintain glucose levels without high/low peaks but info on the american diabetics society says they don't fully endorse this approach. I know diabetics do use the GI values .

I am going have my blood tested again tomorrow, I think this is to see how I'm coping with Metformin, which was given to me at a low dose, 1x500mg tablet/day.

Being curious I bought a glucose meter and Im finding is that 2h post breakfast (porridge) my glucose is 7.6, but 2h after lunch (sandwich + fruit) this goes way up to 10/11mM. I take the Metformin with my dinner and again 2h later its around 10. I think I really need to baseline this before breakfast but I ran out of strips due to poor procedure in taking sample. I have absolutely no feel for how good/bad these values are and whether I can control this condition through diet alone.

The symptoms I had, frequent urination during the night, are still present but I feel less thirsty and I only wake up once a night now. I'm hoping when I get the proper dose of Metformin that this will disappear/reduce substantially?
 
Hi toxicdog.

The guideline Bg figures for 2009 are as follows:
Fasting Bg (waking) .............between 4 - 7 mmol/l.
2 Hrs after meals................no more than 8.5 mmol/l.

You are probably going to have to tweak your Diet to achieve these figures.
Medication may also need to be increased at some point. It is all trial and error.
You need to try and sort out test strips so that you can test before meals, 1 hr and 2 hrs after meals. At the same time keep a food diary as to what you eat. You will soon find out which foods are increasing your Bg levels and the ones that are good for you. Do this for a week and see what your results are ?

I use a combination of Low GI, Low Carbs, Low Fat, Low Salt, Etc Diet. It works very well for me and my Bg levels are well controlled. You need to sort out what will be good for YOU.

Hope this helps.
Ken.
 
Toxicdog said:
Thanks for the replies. Apart from avoiding sugary foods which is obvious I was given some brief information about diet that also included eating starchy foods like potatoes noodles rice etc. Given the propensity for carb to sugar conversion I thought these would be bad for me in any quantity.

They are!

It's just that they think protein or fat would be even worse for you. They are lying when they think that . . .
 
Hi, I've had my first Chronic Disease Clinic visit. They said my HbAC1 level was 11.2

This sounds quite high to me having read other peoples numbers. The nurse seemed to suggest that it was unlikely that I can control my BG through Diet alone, which wasn't exactly encouraging.

She also said that they don't prescribe test strips...another problem as they are so expensive. I'm not sure what the local PCT recommend but this seems a bit crazy to me especially as I don't have a true feel for what foods are best for me (well apart from sea bass)

Shes upping my dose of metformin from 1X 500mg slow release to 4X 500mg standard metformin..again this seems a high dose?? Im also being put on simvastatin as well though my cholesterol was 5.6 which is not that bad.

Any comments welcome
 
Hi Toxicdog,
Toxicdog said:
Hi, I've had my first Chronic Disease Clinic visit. They said my HbAC1 level was 11.2
OK, lets start with the bad news! That is a dangerously high level - it equates to a blood sugar level of 16mmol, which is double the level at which circulation and eye problems start. You need to be aiming for an HBA1C of below 7, and preferably below 6 - but it will be a long haul so don't expect to get there overnight! Stick with us and we'll give you all the advice you need to get there. We've all done it - it takes determination and perseverance but it certainly isn't impossible.

The nurse seemed to suggest that it was unlikely that I can control my BG through Diet alone, which wasn't exactly encouraging.
Well, it is possible but it is also much easier to achieve control through a combination of diet and medication. Have a read of the success stories thread in this forum and you can see how many people have achieved brilliant control through diet or a combination of diet and meds.

She also said that they don't prescribe test strips...another problem as they are so expensive.
What she actually means is that the practice has been told by the PCT not to prescribe test strips. This is purely for financial reasons and has nothing to do with patient welfare. The PCTs who do this (who are employees of the health service) are actually acting in contravention of the governments own guidelines that type 2s should be encouraged to self test! Usually when challenged as to why they are breaking the guidelines, PCTs back down with excuses like "the practice must have misunderstood what we suggested". If you don't want a lot of hassle you might just have to bite the bullet and buy your own meter and test strips. But I would say that without a meter and regular testing your chances of getting control are somewhere below zero!!!

I don't have a true feel for what foods are best for me (well apart from sea bass)
It's not too difficult. All carbohydrates that you eat are converted in the stomach into glucose. This glucose passes into your blood stream as what we refer to as blood sugar. The more carbs you eat then the higher your BS goes and the more insulin your body needs to process the glucose. Less carbs = less insulin needed and lower blood sugar. That's why sea bass is great for you - no carbs!

Shes upping my dose of metformin from 1X 500mg slow release to 4X 500mg standard metformin..again this seems a high dose??
Yes it is a high dose, but hardly surprising as your BS level is very high. What is surprising is that she should have switched you from SR to the standard version. Was any explanation given? Again this is likely to be on costs - SR costs about five times more than standard. Whatever you do, don't suddenly jump from 1 tablet per day to 4 a day. What is recommended is that you up the dose to 2 tablets for a few days, then 3 for a few days, then 4. That way you are less likely to suffer the side effects of metformin, which can be quite nasty. Also make sure that you have them with some water in the middle of your meals so that they are digested along with the rest of the food. This also reduces the side effects.

I'm also being put on simvastatin as well though my cholesterol was 5.6 which is not that bad. Any comments welcome
Well, 5.6 certainly isn't good. Recommended cholesterol level for diabetics is below 5, and ideally below 4. Unfortunately some people do suffer side effects on simvastatin, some are luckier.

If you haven't already done so have a good look round the various topics, particularly those on food and diet as that is going to be how you get control of this beast! Just ask if there's anything you need more information on.
 
Thanks for the advice.

I've hit a bit of a problem though. I don't seem to be tolerating metformin very well. I'm having pains in my knee, calves and ankles and generally feel a bit fatigued.

I'm going to see the doctor tomorrow to see what my options are. These symptoms were pre-simvastatin so I think its the metformin.

The locum I talked to over the phone was a bit gloomy about alternatives but having looked online there are a number of other classes of drug available.

Its all a bit depressing.
 
Toxicdog said:
Thanks for the advice.

I've hit a bit of a problem though. I don't seem to be tolerating metformin very well. I'm having pains in my knee, calves and ankles and generally feel a bit fatigued.

I'm going to see the doctor tomorrow to see what my options are. These symptoms were pre-simvastatin so I think its the metformin.

The locum I talked to over the phone was a bit gloomy about alternatives but having looked online there are a number of other classes of drug available.

Its all a bit depressing.

I would have thought the statin a more likely candidate. Did this happen on the previous dose of met? You could try reducing it back again and increasing more slowly, or trying to get the SR type back if that was working better. Max dose is around 2500mg and some people need that much.

Alternatively growing and using muscle has similar effects but takes longer to reduce insulin resistance. Actos or Avandia are likely alternatives but are contraindicated for many patients. Byetta can work spectacularly well but I doubt you'd get that purely for cost reasons. Some doctors would consider temporary insulin at your numbers (mainly in the States) which could probably be reduced or eliminated once you have gotten your BG down. Sulphs can push your pancreas to produce more insulin.

Without testing though you're pretty much flying blind.
 
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