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AllanE

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Diagnosed around 4 weeks ago - type 2. Given Metformin to take once a day but I'm aware this needs to increase gradually.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to eat. I've done the obvious and cut out the sugar (sweets, cakes, puddings etc) and switched to the only fruit I like which is bananas. Since getting diagnosed I've put on weight instead of losing it? I'm guessing this is the 5 a day banana intake??

Shopping for low saturates and low carbs that sugars, but I seem to be going wrong somewhere.
I don't test my sugar levels or any other of the jargon abbreviations because I've not been told that I need to...or not.

I just feel as if I have to figure all this out for myself
 
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Hello @AllanE . @daisy1 please post information for new people. You will soon get a very informative information sheet which will answer some questions and direct you to useful parts of the website. You are amongst friends on a very supportive forum.
 
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Diagnosed around 4 weeks ago - type 2. Given Metformin to take once a day but I'm aware this needs to increase gradually.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to eat. I've done the obvious and cut out the sugar (sweets, cakes, puddings etc) and switched to the only fruit I like which is bananas. Since getting diagnosed I've put on weight instead of losing it? I'm guessing this is the 5 a day banana intake??

Shopping for low saturates and low carbs that sugars, but I seem to be going wrong somewhere.
I don't test my sugar levels or any other of the jargon abbreviations because I've not been told that I need to...or not.

I just feel as if I have to figure all this out for myself

Hello AllanE. I'm very new to this as well, but my GP did give me some good advice (but no meds!). There is someone on here, @daisy1, who will post some very helpful advice for you.

I don't feel able to give you advice, but I can tell you that when I was diagnosed (7 weeks ago) I read lots of information on this forum and learned a lot about low carb diets (as opposed to low sugar, which is only part of the problem). I also bought myself a test meter so I can see what foods affect my blood glucose readings. I'm still trying to figure it out but am hopeful I'll be able to get my readings down. I've already lost 16lbs in weight and am sleeping much better so the low carb diet is helping me in lots of ways.

If you read up on the advice here, ask lots of questions (people are very happy to answer and share their experiences) and try to work out what affects you, then hopefully you will see your levels come down and your health improve. Good luck
 

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Diagnosed around 4 weeks ago - type 2. Given Metformin to take once a day but I'm aware this needs to increase gradually.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to eat. I've done the obvious and cut out the sugar (sweets, cakes, puddings etc) and switched to the only fruit I like which is bananas. Since getting diagnosed I've put on weight instead of losing it? I'm guessing this is the 5 a day banana intake??

Shopping for low saturates and low carbs that sugars, but I seem to be going wrong somewhere.
I don't test my sugar levels or any other of the jargon abbreviations because I've not been told that I need to...or not.

I just feel as if I have to figure all this out for myself

Right ! Welcome to the forums @AllanE ,

Bananas not great, we diabetics fair better with berries as a fruit choice because they are generally lower in carb content.

All carbs turn to glucose in the bloodstream so look out for pasta, rice, bread and potato and see where you can cut your portion sizes.

Keep a food diary and work out how many carbs you eat, look at the total carbs in food not just the of which sugars bit.

Yes, test your blood sugar if you can afford to self finance. The SD Codefree has the cheapest teststrips, this reduces your ongoing costs.

Hope that helps, but ask more questions if needed.
 
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Hi. I think you may know why you've put on weight. Bananas are a 'no-no' for us as they are High-GI carb. Five a day is seriously bad and you need to stop now; sorry. Tropical fruit should only be eaten in small quantities as it's high in sugar. Don't worry about fats or protein as carbs are the villain for us. So have a varied and balanced diet and that means lower carbs than are in the Western diet and enough proteins, fats and veg to make you feel full. I'm confident you will lose weight. BTW do get hold of a glucose meter as this will guide you in what foods affect your blood sugar most.
 

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Whilst you wait on Daisy to provide her basic information to new members have a look at the following, it's a list of Jargon/Abbreviations used in diabetes circles which was put together by a few forum members here at DCUK:



  • Amylin (Islet Amyloid Polypeptide) - Slows the rate at which digested carbohydrate appears as glucose in the blood and thus reduces total insulin demand
  • Basal - referred to as the slow acting insulin used to cover your bodies own glucose stores
  • Beta cells - Pancreatic cells responsible for the production of insulin, amylin and C-peptide
  • BG - blood glucose (this is the measurement of glucose circulating in the blood)
  • Biphasic insulin - An insulin mixture containing both fast acting and slow acting insulin, usually injected twice daily
  • Bolus - referred to as the fast acting insulin used to cover food, typically carbohydrates, some cover for protein as well.
  • BP - Blood Pressure
  • Brittle diabetes (labile diabetes) - Most often seen in type 1
  • BS - blood sugar (as above)
  • CHO - Carbohydrate (Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen)
  • C-peptide - A by-product of normal insulin production
  • CTS - Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
  • CVD - Cardiovascular Disease
  • Double diabetes - Comprises symptoms of both type 1 and type 2 diabetes
  • DSN - Diabetic Specialist Nurse
  • ED- Erectile Disorder
  • FS - Frozen Shoulder
  • Fulminant type 1 - An idiopathic subtype which has a very rapid onset and no honeymoon period
  • G.I - Glycemic index. A G.I value tells you how rapidly a particular carbohydrate is turned
  • G.L - Glycemic load. A G.L value takes into account not only G.I, but also the total quantity
  • GAD (Glutamic Acid Decarboxylase) - Antibodies test
  • GDM - Gestational Diabetes Mellitus
  • Glucagon - A hormone produced in the alpha cells of the pancreas
  • Glycogen - The storage form of glucose in animals and humans
  • Glycogenesis - Glucose storage, mainly in the liver and muscles
  • Glycogenolysis - The breaking down of glycogen stores in liver and muscle tissue
  • GNG (Gluconeogenesis) - The generation of glucose from non-carbohydrate carbon substrates
  • HBA1C - HbA1c is the scientific shorthand for Glycosylated Haemoglobin
  • HCP/HP - Health care professional
  • HDL - High Density Lipoprotein (the "good" cholesterol)
  • Honeymoon period - The period of time after a diagnosis of type 1 diabetes when there is better than expected blood glucose control
  • Hypo - hypoglycaemia (this means blood sugar level is too low)
  • Insulin - A hormone which causes most of the body's cells to take up glucose from the blood
  • Insulin analogues - Genetically altered versions of insulin
  • Insulin antibodies - An immune response to exogenous(injected) insulin
  • Insulin resistance - Normal amounts of insulin are inadequate to produce a normal insulin level.
  • Ketoacidosis - A severe accumulation of keto acids in the blood, resulting in acidosis
  • Ketones - Ketone bodies are acids left over as a byproduct of ketosis
  • Ketosis - A process in which your body converts fats into energy
  • Lantus - Long-acting insulin analogue used as a basal(background) insulin. Normally injected
  • LDL - Low Density Lipoprotein (the "bad" cholesterol)
  • Levemir - Long-acting insulin analogue used as a basal(background) insulin.
  • LHB (Local Health Board) Welsh equivalent of a PCT (Primary Care Trust)
  • Liver dump - The common term given to glucose production from the liver
  • Low-carb diet - A proportional reduction of dietary carbohydrate
  • MDI - Multiple Daily Injections - an insulin regimen adopted by the majority of type 1 diabetics
  • MODY - Maturity Onset Diabetes of the Young refers to a number of dominantly inherited, monogenic defects of insulin secretion. There are currently eight different varieties of MODY
  • Nephropathy - Damage to or disease of the kidneys
  • NICE - National Institute for Clinical Health and Excellence
  • NSF - National Strategic Framework
  • PCT - Primary Care Trust
  • Peripheral neuropathy - Damage to the nerves of the peripheral nervous system
  • PP - post prandial (this means a period of time after eating, usually recorded as 2 hours but often 1)
  • Pump - Insulin Pump, used as an alternative insulin delivery method to MDI. The pump is connected to you 24/7 and pumps tiny doses of insulin thorought the day, with the ability to give extra doses at meals times and with snacks.
  • Retinopathy - Non-inflammatory damage to the retina of the eye
  • SHA - Strategic Health Authority
  • Somogyi effect (rebound hyperglycemia) - A high blood sugar (hyperglycemia)
  • TG or Trigs Triglycerides - the main component part of VLDL and a significant cause of strokes and heart attacks
  • Type 1 (autoimmune) - The most common form of type 1 diabetes
  • Type 1 (idiopathic) - All forms of type 1 which occur without a known cause
  • Type 1 (surgical) - Diabetes caused by partial or complete removal of the pancreas
  • Type 1.5 - Latent Autoimmune Diabetes in Adults (LADA), also known as slow onset type 1
  • Type 2 - Diabetes mellitus type 2 is most often attributed to insulin resistance and relative
  • VLDL - Very Low Density Lipoprotein (the "very bad" cholesterol)
  • Young-onset type 2 - Anyone diagnosed with type 2 under the age of 45 is considered young
 
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Don't stress, take it slow, cut down on carbs, increase your fat intake, your body needs one or the other, and as carbs turn to sugar, its them that have to go, buy a book called The Collins little gem Carb counter, lists loads of foods and their carbs, i am not low carbing at the moment, have around 90-100grams a day, a lot lower than non diabetics, buy a tester, its the only way to find what food works for you and what doesn't. I am now at the end of month two myself, two stone lighter and regretting giving my smaller clothes to the charity shops last year! Read up on diabetes, i was on overload of reading by week two, but the way i have managed is by dismissing a lot of the older advise and playing about with food and drink, some even lower your blood sugar but these can be different for ever diabetic. Stsy cool, be in control and test, test,test.
Good luck.
 
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@AllanE

Hello Allan and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, particularly concerning diet. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be around.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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Hi @AllanE and welcome to the forum. It is all quite difficult to understand when you are first diagnosed and in a state of shock.
I didn't know what to eat either and lived on tinned salmon and mayo wholemeal sandwiches for the first two weeks. Have a read of the threads on the forum. You will see that a lot of people, including myself, have reduced their blood sugar levels by adopting a Low Carbohydrate High Fat approach to eating, avoiding or lowering Carbohydrate intake as much as possible, and earing more healthy fats like butter, cheese and cream for energy and to feel full.
Bananas aren't good for diabetics, you should eat avocados instead which are high in 'good' fats.
Do you know what your blood sugar levels (HbA1C) was on diagnosis? If not you need to find out from your GP, so you know where you are starting from.
 
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Hi @AllanE
Welcome to the "club"
Looks like you got the good news at about the same time I did
It takes a while to get over the diagnosis but you will get more help on here than you think
As others have said the main issue is the carbohydrate intake (in my experience) so if you research low carbs it will help.
On the subject of bananas just looked up and they are 29g carb per 100g so 5 would give you 145g if 100g each plus any other food intake.
Most of the low carb fraternity take a lot less than that
What I have found is the advise you'll get from medics is to eat carbs but on a totally personal level this was not the way to go
Have a look at the low carb section of the forum for some ideas it's what I did and my levels have improved considerably
The best advise I could suggest would be don't panic , do the research , get a blood testing kit (so you know what effects your food has on you individually) and don't be shy asking questions on here - no such thing as a "daft" question.
As I have only been low carbing for about three weeks I am more than happy with glucose levels and weight loss plus not feeling hungry all the time sleeping better and more energy.
It is a big shock but it is controllable and with some adjustment not too difficult to manage.

Regards

M
 

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Hello AllanE. I'm very new to this as well, but my GP did give me some good advice (but no meds!). There is someone on here, @daisy1, who will post some very helpful advice for you.

I don't feel able to give you advice, but I can tell you that when I was diagnosed (7 weeks ago) I read lots of information on this forum and learned a lot about low carb diets (as opposed to low sugar, which is only part of the problem). I also bought myself a test meter so I can see what foods affect my blood glucose readings. I'm still trying to figure it out but am hopeful I'll be able to get my readings down. I've already lost 16lbs in weight and am sleeping much better so the low carb diet is helping me in lots of ways.

If you read up on the advice here, ask lots of questions (people are very happy to answer and share their experiences) and try to work out what affects you, then hopefully you will see your levels come down and your health improve. Good luck
Diagnosed around 4 weeks ago - type 2. Given Metformin to take once a day but I'm aware this needs to increase gradually.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to eat. I've done the obvious and cut out the sugar (sweets, cakes, puddings etc) and switched to the only fruit I like which is bananas. Since getting diagnosed I've put on weight instead of losing it? I'm guessing this is the 5 a day banana intake??

Shopping for low saturates and low carbs that sugars, but I seem to be going wrong somewhere.
I don't test my sugar levels or any other of the jargon abbreviations because I've not been told that I need to...or not.

I just feel as if I have to figure all this out for myself
Hi
Diagnosed around 4 weeks ago - type 2. Given Metformin to take once a day but I'm aware this needs to increase gradually.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to eat. I've done the obvious and cut out the sugar (sweets, cakes, puddings etc) and switched to the only fruit I like which is bananas. Since getting diagnosed I've put on weight instead of losing it? I'm guessing this is the 5 a day banana intake??

Shopping for low saturates and low carbs that sugars, but I seem to be going wrong somewhere.
I don't test my sugar levels or any other of the jargon abbreviations because I've not been told that I need to...or not.

I just feel as if I have to figure all this out for myself
Hi Alan E, Welcome to this site best place to be. Go to the forum "What have you eaten today?" there are lots of ideas on there of what we all eat daily, try some and test you will be surprised.:)
 
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Thank you everyone! I can see this forum is THE place to be for advice and guidance. The practice nurse told me that a 'Slimming World' diet would be ideal...but I see she is wrong as that diet is a 'eat as many carbs as you like' diet?
I'll be getting myself a blood glucose meter today and will start testing.

Thanks again!
 
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Thank you everyone! I can see this forum is THE place to be for advice and guidance. The practice nurse told me that a 'Slimming World' diet would be ideal...but I see she is wrong as that diet is a 'eat as many carbs as you like' diet?
I'll be getting myself a blood glucose meter today and will start testing.

Thanks again!
Well Done AllenE welcome to he forum,keep posting and asking q's its how we all learn
 
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@AllanE - Hello and Welcome to the Forum.:)
 

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Since bananas are such a favourite of yours, you may find it difficult to give them up cold turkey. The advice given above that they are a no-no is right, but if you must, then the greener they are the better. The blacker they are, then avoid. Also, dried fruit tends to be a bad choice since the carbs are more concentrated Fresh or frozen fruit wins over dried or canned.

LCHF diet will appear strange at first, especially as it turns NHS diet advice on its head, but when you get your meter working for you, you should see an immediate drop in bgl. Weight is controlled by fat intake, less fat loses weight but increases hunger pangs, more fat keeps the weight up and helps reduce the munchies.

You should be able to get your test kit and consumables VAT free, or reclaim the VAT by contacting the supplier.
Hope you find your feet soon. Good Luck.
 
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