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shillary

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High all, I have just received news that I am prediabetes. I do not eat a lot of carbs and therefore am at a loss regarding diet. Also is it worth getting a tester and which one? 7 years ago I had a quadruple bypass and I am 63 as of last Monday! All advice warmly received.

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Hi there," no eating a lot of carbs" can be a bit relative given how all pervasive they are ! ca you give us some idea of a typical day's food ? s
 
Happy Birthday and Yes! get a meter. Choose one that has affordable test strips, I use the SD Codefree. A meter will tell how your body is reacting by way of blood glucose to the foods you eat. Test before your first bite of food then two hours later. Ideally the rise should be 2mmol or less.
It is best to cut out potatoes, rice, pasta, bread and anything made of flour.
This sounds drastic but lowering your blood glucose is key to avoiding becoming type 2.
Welcome to the forum and I will tag @daisy1 who will post loads of information for you. Browse and ask any questions you may have.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum @shillary! A bg meter will be essential to find out how different foods affect your blood sugar levels.
The TEE2 and SD Codefree have the cheapest strips.
* @AM1874
 
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@shillary

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
@shillary

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.

My question is Do you believe the cut off levels of Nice? or any recommendations. Dont forget, many people dont even know this or learn or make searches, that the cut off levels worldwide are ARBITRARY, THAT MEANS THE SO CALLED
EXPERTS, simply choose a figure at random, whim. There is no 100% medical evidence to support, that figure cut off, either real blood finger testing or A1C! Even the experts admit acknowledge this, The Who, even one stage on their website, take a look state clearly, they did not recommend A1C as a reliable sugar marker for diagnosis due to variations of labs and differences of cut offs that go hand in hand with results.

Did you know that in Spain you can be diabetic, i.e.as your A1C is 6.5%, the same in UK, even if you dont have classic symptoms and without a second test your given a label, life changing diagnosis your diabetic!!! yet if one jumps on a plane to New Zealand, their A1C cut off is 6.7% 50mmol/mol if one has classic symptoms, if not two tests required, and ONLY I repeat only if the two tests are BOTH OVER 6.7% CONSISTENT, you are classed diabetes, but if the second test is below, you are viewed pre diabetic, with caution, change of life recommendations, and review in 6-12 months. If one is 6.6% fore example 49mmol/mol, UK and Spain you are diabetic, yet again New Zealand has pragmatic and more sensible approach, 6.6% as below 6.7% is PRE DIABETIC. They prefer not to label a person with a life change situation i.e. misdiagnose, without first, the person having opportunity to turn it around, change of life, low carb, exercise and interimittent fasting, now thats common sense, so come on you doctors and Diabetic societies around the world, follow and take a leaf from the book of New Zealand,
especially, when the world has different cut off numbers and all are ARBITRARY AT THE END OF THE DAY, so how do we know what the number should be and until the world gets its act together, one number supported by medical evidence, and the world follows strict criteria the same format to diagnose, which is not the case now I might add!, then one should be skeptical of the guidelines and recommendations of the so called experts.

REMEMBER, the lower the numbers they make suddenly makes normal people become abnormal,pre or diabetic, that means
more medications prescribed, that means big business for the entire industry, and one may be labelled incorrectly, and more so unnecessary medications..

My advice, trust your own body, dont listen to recommendations without 100%medical evidence, get 2,3 opinions if that is what it takes, and follow lowcarb, walk walk,intermittent fast you cant do better than that,basically, you cant get worse, can you, only get better.

Hope this helps clarify, also Nice levels differ to those of Diabetes Co.Uk and other associations, same as the ADA, differ with then endos, they cant agree on the A1C cut off, so if the experts cannot agree on a cut offs where do we go from there....

think about this.

Mallorca
 
I work really hard to get my HBA1C result to between 6 and 7. And I am so glad that my dieticians have had consistent guidance from NICE to work with over the years and the different clinics i have attended.
Statitics are not tailored to an individual so there will always be some kind of issue with our own case and control limits.
Also, one of the factors that may affect different countries guidance for diagnosis is cost. Changing from 6.7 to 6.5 may dramatically increase the population of diabetics which may prove unaffordable to the state.
 
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