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carlw

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Hi Everyone,

I'm recently diagnosed type II 4 weeks in now and trying to get to grips with things. My surgery want to put me on first stage of meds, I'm trying to get my reading down below the magic 7% with diet and exercise, am I doing the right thing? I seem to be bounching between 2.7 and 9 occasional 11. I think I'm starting to get an idea of what puts me up but last night throw me again, before eating I was 6.8, I had what I thought was ok, this morning 8.8 so everything I had last night is under review!

Is it better to try to do it with diet at first or to go with med's given when I go cycling I drop to 2.7 even with a squash drink?

Many Thanks

Carl
 
Hi Carl and welcome to the forum :) If you can manage without meds, so much the better, but a lot of us have to take them so don't see it as a bad thing - it's just to help you. I can see with your highs and lows that you need to stabilise your levels. Try doing this by reducing the carbohydrates you are eating. Make sure you tell your surgery about the highs and lows you have been having - keep a note of them. Here is some information that we have written for new members and I hope this will help you. Ask as many questions as you like as there is usually someone here who can help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 
Carl,

Welcome!

You're doing exactly the right thing, although there is no need to be scared of the metformin which, apart from a few wind related side effects, is a great drug that will give you a helping hand on your way to beating diabetes.

What did you eat to put you BG up yesterday?

Stephen
 
borofergie said:
Carl,

What did you eat to put you BG up yesterday?

Stephen

Thanks very much both its great to see so much support out there, Stephen I'm really not sure I'm thinking it could have been a glass of red wine or salad cream or sausages - the labeling suggested they should be ok, but I haven't watched things closely enough yet, I keep on get shocked by foods which I thought where OK so its still early days, I think I'm going to start to keep a food diary.
 
carlw said:
Thanks very much both its great to see so much support out there, Stephen I'm really not sure I'm thinking it could have been a glass of red wine or salad cream or sausages - the labeling suggested they should be ok, but I haven't watched things closely enough yet, I keep on get shocked by foods which I thought where OK so its still early days, I think I'm going to start to keep a food diary.

Well the red wine probably would have helped rather than hindered. Checking the labels and testing is really all you can do.

I think that it just takes a bit of time for things to settle down, and for you to learn exactly what spikes you. (Took me a week and a half to get under 7 when I was first diagnoses).

Even then you can still be caught out by something non-food related like an infection or a cold.

Keep it man, you'll find lots of support here.
 
Don't worry too much about your morning fasting readings - not at this stage anyway. There is a thing called The Dawn Phenomenon, when your liver pumps a bit more glucose into your blood first thing, to get you bright-eyed and bushy tailed ready for the day (very simplistic explanation but about right!).

It may be that the red wine took you a bit too low so you had a higher Dawn Phenomenon reading to compensate.

I've just checked my previous readings and it took me a good 6 months to get my fasting readings consistently below 7 - even now I'm sometimes over 6, particularly if I've had a bit too much wine :oops: - and I don't mean getting plastered - 3 or 4 glasses will do it.

The main thing is to make sure that your 2 hours post-meal reading is coming back down fairly close to your pre-meal reading.

You will get there, you sound to be absolutely on the right track. Have a little patience at this stage - and keep testing! :D

Viv 8)
 
Thought I'd give an update, after the helpful posts to my original hello, and also say "thank you" to everyone above.

Ok I know its still early days, I've been keeping the food diary and I've cut down/out all the most mentioned carbs. I've been bashing the tarmac on the bike so am getting plenty of exercise and the occasional chocolate. Now I know i'm only monitoring with a standard monitor so things may be different when I go for my next test in April but my average for the last 14 days is 6.3, I seem to have stopped spiking, and I'm loosing weight!

So hopefully I'm now a newbie on the right track,

many thanks

Carl
 
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