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paul_round

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Hi, my name isPaul and I was recently diagnosed with Type 2 and have been on Metaformin for a week, (2 tablets a day so far)
At my initial test, (Lloyds pharmacy) I had a reading of 24, a fasting reading at the doctors was 16, however after testing 2 hours after breakfast and lunch, it is still high at around 12.
However, I am feeling much better than before starting on medication and changing my diet, I regularly used to have to pee in the night and drink up to a pint of water, no longer.
I also seem to have far more energy and don't feel like taking naps, and no longer feel the need for an afternoon snack!, in fact I would say my appetite has reduced slightly overall, so i guess something is working!
Should I be worried that my readings are still so high or is it early days yet, my nurse did say that I woul dneed 4 tablets a day, so maybe I am jumping the gun a little.
I would be interested in peoples thoughts on this.
 
Hi and welcome,

It is very early days for you, but even so it seems you are improving. Metformin takes a while to kick in, so one week isn't long enough. Even when it does kick in it won't bring your levels down very significantly. Only a change in diet will do this.

What sort of diet are you following? We may be able to help you if you give us some idea of what you are eating and drinking.

As for testing, you need to test before you eat, then 2 hours after. Just one reading after 2 hours is fairly meaningless because you don't know how high you were before you started.
 
Welcome to the forum Paul. It's takes a little time to get your head around things but read lots and ask lots and you'll soon begin to see improvements.

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Hi,
Dietwise, I have never been a fan of sweet foods, never eat desserts, never add sugar to anything, not eaten much fruit, generally speaking more of a protein man than carbs, I love my meat!
For breakfast, most mornings I would have a bacon and tomato sandwich, now cut that down to twice a week, and porridge otherwise.
Lunches used to be ready meals, easy to microwave at work, but now changing to salads, with lots of beans, etc, tuna sandwiches, sushi.
Dinner could be anything from pork chop and trimmings to lasagne, still is at the moment as it's difficult when my wife is cooking for the whole family.
I have reduced my alcohol intake, from 3 nights out of 3 pints to just one pint, (although there seems to be conflicting advice of alcohol with Metaformin on the internet)
Weight wise, I am 13 stone, 5ft 9 and have been for many years, but expect that to drop.
As I said, one of the main things i have noticed is my lack of appetite, particularly in the mid-afternoon, when I would sneak out to Tescos and maybe buy a box of chicken legs!, but no more!!
 
Hi Paul and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I think you will find this useful. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will help.



BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
I think you may find that your sandwiches are causing your after meal highs. Bread is one of the foods diabetics find hard to cope with. The other "bad" foods are rice, pasta, potatoes, pastry and batter, so your lasagne may not be doing you any favours. Likewise porridge can be a difficult food for some people, especially if its made with milk. Meat, fish, eggs are good, also natural fats such as butter, cheese, yogurt - no need to cut down on these.

We are all different, so you need to test all your new meals before and after, work out which of the foods in the meal are causing the highs and either avoid them or try the meal again with a much reduced portion and test again. By doing this I discovered I can manage 2 small potatoes, but not 3. I can also manage 1 slice of heavily seeded bread, but not 2 slices. It is all trial and error.
 
Hi Paul and welcome to the forum.

Metformin can blunt your appetite it certainly seems to have done so for me.

jim
 
Bluetit, so if meat is ok, If I make sure that my bread is whole grain, (we use a breadmaker), then my bacon and tomato sandwich is an ok breakfast?
 
You would be better off with bacon, eggs, mushrooms and a tomato. Cut out the bread, it might be hard a first. As the others have said remove all junk and processed stuff. Have a look at 'diet doctor' for what to eat.
 
What about fruit, I'm getting conflicting advice about that, I realise it's mainly sugar, so carbs, but I know a type 2 diabetic who eats buckets of it, 2 bananas and a bunch of grapes for lunch
 
What about fruit, I'm getting conflicting advice about that, I realise it's mainly sugar, so carbs, but I know a type 2 diabetic who eats buckets of it, 2 bananas and a bunch of grapes for lunch

But do you know what his BS levels are afterwards? I know a type 2 who stuffs herself daily with cakes and biscuits, but she is always reluctant to say what her levels are, or what medication she is on.

As with all carbs it is trial and error. Berries appear to be the safest in small quantities. probably best to stay away from tropical fruits such as oranges, bananas, kiwi, etc. Some people can manage a small apple or pear. You just need to test them out and see what happens.
 
Bluetit, so if meat is ok, If I make sure that my bread is whole grain, (we use a breadmaker), then my bacon and tomato sandwich is an ok breakfast?


Paul, 2 slices of wholemeal for a sandwich is 30g of carbs. That is what some people aim for in total on a low carb diet. Personally that is too low for me and I try to average circa 100 which is about a 1/3rd od the RDA for a non diabetic male.

jim
 
After reading through some of the posts here, I have decide to try the LCHF diet, also after advice, now testing 1 hour before food and 2 hours after.
Latest reading was 7.8 before, 10.4 after, these are by far the lowest readings I have had yet!
 
After reading through some of the posts here, I have decide to try the LCHF diet, also after advice, now testing 1 hour before food and 2 hours after.
Latest reading was 7.8 before, 10.4 after, these are by far the lowest readings I have had yet!

You need to test immediately before food, not one hour before.
 
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