Newcastle diet starting Monday, done it once who gonna join me on my journey??

"Arab Horse, I'm wondering whether the radiologist who read your scan didn't bother to mention fatty changes if he maybe considered them insignificant? You might consider specifically asking them to review the scan again for any fatty changes. You may have already done this."

Raema, the radiologist said he couldn't see anything, he knew I was looking to see if if my liver was normal before I started the diet to removes fat from my liver. He said everything appeared normal but it is my understanding that an ultrasound will not necessarily show a fatty liver but I may be wrong.

"you know you're the right weight if you can fit into the pants you wore as a 21 year old "

Indy51, I am the thinnest I have been as an adult now; I was probably a few pounds more before I cut the carbs but would probably have fitted into my jeans.

In my case this line "you know you're the right weight if you can fit into the pants you wore as a 21 year old " does not fit, I was about 115kilos at that time and then I reduced 40 45 kilos.
Never went above 80 after that and stayed between 70 and 80 preferably 70 and 75

Reama said:

I'm starting the diet tomorrow. I am also "underweight", though I'm 13 pounds (I think this is almost one stone) heavier than I was in high school, when I was healthy and active. I had an abdominal ultrasound done 5 years ago for other reasons, and it incidentally listed "fatty changes" in the liver, so although my BMI is 18, looks like it would help to return to my high school weight. I had beta cell antibody levels checked several times during the last 10 years, and always negative.

Professor Taylor has a new article out (at least new to me; published in January 2015). Figure one shows a graph of BMIs relative to number of people with type 2 diabetes studied under the UKPDS; the bell curve does go down to a low of about a BMI of 15 (which I think is amazing)!
The article is titled Normal Weight Individuals Who Develop Type 2 Diabetes:the Personal Fat Threshhold.

Arab Horse, I'm wondering whether the radiologist who read your scan didn't bother to mention fatty changes if he maybe considered them insignificant? You might consider specifically asking them to review the scan again for any fatty changes. You may have already done this.

Reama

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The paper is here: http://www.clinsci.org/cs/128/0405/1280405.pdf

Good progress geordie keep it up.

geordie90 said:

It's amazing really in three days I've dropped sugars massively but not felt hungry

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That's the thing that helped me when I did the diet. Never really felt hungry throughout my time on it

Glad to hear you others haven't been too hungry. Today, day 1, I've not been too hungry, but it remains to be seen whether I'll wake up in the middle of the night due to hunger.

Thanks for posting the link, AndBreathe; I found if fascinating. Sorry I didn't post it.

As I read through these posts, I have a question: what does LCHF stand for? Is it low carb, or low calorie/high fat?

Glitterbritches, thanks for the reminder to exercise. Will throw some in before I call it a day...

Reama

Glitterbritches said:

I second Pipp's thoughts. The recent peer reviewed VLCD literature indicates that someone on 500 calories a day loses weight no faster than someone on 800 calories a day - roughly speaking, there is only so much fat your body can burn in one day, regardless of calorie intake.

Women are different, so maybe the floor is 600, but either way, when your calorie intake is this low I don't personally see the harm in upping your intake a bit. And please, try to work exercise into your plan - you can do a lot with just 20 minutes of floor exercises (sit-ups/push ups, modified for your health level if necessary, back exercises, body weight squats and lunges, burpies, thrusters . . . Lots of ways!) exercise on a VLCD has many benefits, the chief of which is that you lose less lean muscle mass (and you will lose lean muscle mass). That lean muscle mass is sooo important to keeping your metabolism going and helping with insulin sensitivity.

Trust me, I work 10-14 hours a day (not even counting commute) and I was able to make time to exercise, after decades of telling myself I didn't have the time. Hell, think of all the time you are no longer spending preparing food! Exercise just has so many benefits for everyone, but is three times as important for type 2 diabetics. Daily exercise is the rough equivalent of taking a drug like Metformin; find the time and your body will thank you. Moreover, once you develop the habit, it'll carry through after the diet is over and help you for the rest of your (much longer) life.

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@Glitterbritches

I hear what you are saying about exercise, yet everyday I get to exercise either a 15 mile bike ride or 1 hour plus doing weights in a gym. However its not a a walk in the park for me. I am sure that in the UK with the weather there, its not nearly as easy as it is for me. My avatar shows a beach which I cycle to the end of, most every other day. Now, it's not always pleasurable, but more a chore that has to be taken care of on a daily basis. I'll do it each day, but the thought of having to doing it for the next 20 years frankly scares me..

JM

Reama said:

Glad to hear you others haven't been too hungry. Today, day 1, I've not been too hungry, but it remains to be seen whether I'll wake up in the middle of the night due to hunger.

Thanks for posting the link, AndBreathe; I found if fascinating. Sorry I didn't post it.

As I read through these posts, I have a question: what does LCHF stand for? Is it low carb, or low calorie/high fat?

Glitterbritches, thanks for the reminder to exercise. Will throw some in before I call it a day...

Reama

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Hi Reama - I was on a 'real food' ND/VLCD for four weeks, then LCD for the second four weeks, and I was nearly always hungry. We had some good discussions in here about whether the meal replacement sachets helped with hunger. Who knows? (Metabolism, relationship with food and so on is so intensely individual and personal, and I have always had a hearty appetite.) If I could go back in time, I think I would take a fibre supplement - to help with 'filling you up' with negligible calories (important when calorie counting), and with regularity - which is a very real issue on semi-starvation diets. (Keep very well hydrated!)

I was never hungry when asleep though! Going to bed at night was a much looked-forward-to relief from being hungry and conscious.

But saying that, some people, particularly women apparently (well - either it was female humans and rats! Or just female rats...lol) get wider awake and more alert and active in their usual sleep time when semi-starved, at least when of a reproductive age. (I should retrieve the study, but I am too keen to get up and go to store to buy food for my depleted fridge, lol.) Joe Cross, when discussing his juice diets in his 'Fat, sick and nearly dead' docos, talks about this phenomenon for all people, with some great animation. You could be going through this 'extra alert' stage like Ms Research Rat? A survival technique to get you out and about and hunting and gathering food. And maybe gathering a Mr (or Ms!) Rat? If lack of food continues, and for long enough, the ability to reproduce shuts down temporarily, and maybe even the looking out for a Hugh Jackman rat, or a Katherine Moennig rat? This we women know, at least about periods stopping in response to enough weight loss. Carrying, birthing, and feeding babies, not to mention raising them is just so energy intensive. Our species has survived so well, so far at least, because we have these systems in place.

I hope this is interesting for women on the ND.

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Glad to hear you others haven't been too hungry. Today, day 1, I've not been too hungry, but it remains to be seen whether I'll wake up in the middle of the night due to hunger.

Thanks for posting the link, AndBreathe; I found if fascinating. Sorry I didn't post it.

As I read through these posts, I have a question: what does LCHF stand for? Is it low carb, or low calorie/high fat?

Glitterbritches, thanks for the reminder to exercise. Will throw some in before I call it a day...

Reama

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low carb high fat

brettsza said:

@squarebanana welcome to the club. What are your numbers like in terms of bg and a1c.
Is this your second attempt or first

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this is the first attempt at ND Brettsza


Well i went to the docs Wednesday Morning Hba1c 7.9 my BMI at the moment is 37.7 blood pressure 130 over 83 and my bad cholesterol is high, fasting sugar level is 10.5, got a good check over , doc checked my heart etc and everything fine.

The doctor hadn't heard of the ND before so took the copy off my that i had printed out, and told me to come back in 3 months for more blood tests.

Not calling this doctor but the others i have had, have been a total waste of time. I was diagnosed about 6 years ago, and ever since i have been on my original set of tablets i have had side effects without realising. The biggest ones were off simvastatin which gradually caught up with me over 4 years and has left me physically wrecked with no strength and muscle damage.

Only after complaining to my doctor that i had tennis elbow in both arms as well as the usual aches and pains everywhere, and that i had seen on the internet this was signs of side effects of statins, that he decided to look through my notes and check all my symptoms over 4 years. His answer was yes i had been suffering side effects for all of the 4 years, and his answer was "i'm sorry" i was ****** fuming.

Then October last year after complaining of being tired again, they decided then to put me on Glicozide, as well as my normal Metformin (2x 500mg twice a day) this really knackered me up and basically gave me lactic acidosis, after struggling for 3 months again after ME researching it on the net, i told the doctor (locum) that i had stopped taking all my meds except my blood pressure, agreed it could be lactic acidosis and she suggested i go on Statins! (i gave up there and then). time to look after myself as these idiots havent a clue.(please note i do take responsibility for not looking after myself throughout these times so it ain't all the doctors fault)

Anyway sorry for ranting on, day 4 of the ND after 2 days initial fasting and i've lost 8lb. I feel miles better physically but more importantly mentally, this i think is the killer, my job requires a lot of concentration and motivation, and i have been struggling with this for what seems ages now, But now i feel great, my sugars are a little high hovering around the 8 to 10 mark when i get up in a morning, but i am so chuffed i found this diet.

I cant believe how good salad tastes with a tablespoon of fat free caeser dressing, and i'm making lots of homemade soup, and roasted vegetables and homemade salsa for dinner.

bring it on...


Alan
SB

Well done, Squarebanana, I am sure you will be like a new person at the end of it. Some health "professionals" do seem to be totally out of touch and need to see what the current treatments are instead of just prescribing more drugs which often treat the symptoms and not the underlying problem.

I'm into Week 4 of the Newcastle Diet now and I rarely find hunger an issue

I think my stomach has shrunk to my intake somewhat - the shake in the morning and at lunchtime leaves me feeling stated and my evening veg followed by my shake leaves me feeling full for bed

As a 6'4" giant with the build of a blast-proof wall, this amazes me, considering what I used to 'shovel in' throughout the day, pre-D

thanks Arab Horse, another good thing is i've not had a beer either, i normally drink every night of the week 1 or 2 pints then go out maybe once a week for the wetherspoons steak night (tuesdays) and have 7 or 8 pints a 16oz steak and half a bottle of red ( i did say on a previous post i wasn't looking after myself) but now i am.

My best m8 is in Spain on his hols until 2nd April, and he will be expecting me to go out, on Tues 7th, I will go out but it will be soda water and ice, and freedom salad for me.

geordie90 you said you had pork loin the other night, i thought you weren't allowed meat on the ND?

Alan
SB

Living-by-the-beach said:

@Glitterbritches

I hear what you are saying about exercise, yet everyday I get to exercise either a 15 mile bike ride or 1 hour plus doing weights in a gym. However its not a a walk in the park for me. I am sure that in the UK with the weather there, its not nearly as easy as it is for me. My avatar shows a beach which I cycle to the end of, most every other day. Now, it's not always pleasurable, but more a chore that has to be taken care of on a daily basis. I'll do it each day, but the thought of having to doing it for the next 20 years frankly scares me..

JM

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Just so you know, I live in Minnesota - we've still got snow on the ground and ice on the lakes

And trust me, I was *not* an exerciser before this, and also considered it a chore. Now I'm up at 5:00 a.m. Getting ready to workout with Dumbbells in my basement - habits change, and chores become a lot more fun when you have a goal.