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Two months ago I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes. Since then I've been reading a lot about it and started to do the lifestyle changes required; Very Low Carb Diet, Zero sugar, Walking more, going to the Gym, and monitor my glucose 4 to 6 times a day. I'm also taking some herbal medicine (cinnamon, garlic, apple cider vinaigrette, etc)

I now weight 230pounds, I've lost 20 pounds already (which is great) but my daily glucose average is going up. I started at 6.2 and I'm now at 7.2. It tends to be higher in the mornings before breakfast.

I'm not taking medicine, my GP told me we need to try to control it with diet and exercise to start. I really want to get this under control and see if I can avoid tablets for now.

I'm conscious of the future implications of having high blood sugar. So I guess my question is, should I be asking my GP to start with the medicine or should I carry on with my daily avg and see if it gets better? What else can I do to control my daily avg?
 
Hi Luissangiovanni and welcome to the forum.
First I’ll tag in @daisy1 for her useful info post. It sounds like you have done your research which is to be congratulated.
Can you post a typical day’s food and blood glucose readings to give us an idea of what you’re achieving so far? Do you know what your HbA1c, the diagnostic blood test you would have had, is? We can then try to advise you.
 
You are doing the right things so far(including joining this forum).

Don't panic too much about the slightly high morning readings.......look into 'Dawn Phenomenon' and all will be explained
 
Hi Luissangiovanni and welcome to the forum.
First I’ll tag in @daisy1 for her useful info post. It sounds like you have done your research which is to be congratulated.
Can you post a typical day’s food and blood glucose readings to give us an idea of what you’re achieving so far? Do you know what your HbA1c, the diagnostic blood test you would have had, is? We can then try to advise you.

Thanks for the help.
My diagnosis was 49 (First test) and 50 (Second Test)

Here's my typical daily reading:
Before breakfast 8.6 mmol/L
After breakfast 6.7 mmol/L
Before lunch 7.1 mmol/l
After lunch: 8.2mmo/l
Before dinner: 6.6mmol/l
After dinner: 8.8mmol/l

Around 8,000 steps every day plus 600 Moves - I've been going to the gym at least 4 times a week.

In terms of food:
Breakfast: yogurt (no sugar / no fat) or 2 boiled eggs
Lunch: Leaf Salad (no dressing or starchy veggies), hummus (just a bit), turkey or chicken. Not big portions.
Dinner: quinoa or lentils, chicken, tomatoes (not much)
Average carbs intake per day: 25 to 30grams
All carbs none starchy or processed.

I'm also taking : FenuGreek, Garlic Oil, Chromium and Psyllium husks.

I also have high blood pressure and taking tablets for that. I also have high cholesterol.

I’m going to continue with the gym and staying away as possible from carbs - I really want to know if there’s anything I can do to lower the above readings without medication.

and if there’s nothing else, should I be asking my doctor for medicine? What is the downside of the medicine?

Thanks in advance
Luis-
 
Thanks for the help.
My diagnosis was 49 (First test) and 50 (Second Test)

Here's my typical daily reading:
Before breakfast 8.6 mmol/L
After breakfast 6.7 mmol/L
Before lunch 7.1 mmol/l
After lunch: 8.2mmo/l
Before dinner: 6.6mmol/l
After dinner: 8.8mmol/l

Around 8,000 steps every day plus 600 Moves - I've been going to the gym at least 4 times a week.

In terms of food:
Breakfast: yogurt (no sugar / no fat) or 2 boiled eggs
Lunch: Leaf Salad (no dressing or starchy veggies), hummus (just a bit), turkey or chicken. Not big portions.
Dinner: quinoa or lentils, chicken, tomatoes (not much)
Average carbs intake per day: 25 to 30grams
All carbs none starchy or processed.

I'm also taking : FenuGreek, Garlic Oil, Chromium and Psyllium husks.

I also have high blood pressure and taking tablets for that. I also have high cholesterol.

I’m going to continue with the gym and staying away as possible from carbs - I really want to know if there’s anything I can do to lower the above readings without medication.

and if there’s nothing else, should I be asking my doctor for medicine? What is the downside of the medicine?

Thanks in advance
Luis-

The good news is that your HbA1c s of 49 and 50 are only just in the diabetic range of over 48, so there is every chance you can get that down to a non diabetic level on diet and exercise alone, no meds. When I say diet and exercise, diet is the much bigger part of that plan. Your high pre breakfast reading is probably due to dawn phenomenon and will be the last of your readings to normalise. Here a bit about dawn phenomenon:
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-glucose/dawn-phenomenon.html
Your diet doesn’t look too bad, the only things to mention are the yoghurt, check the carb count carefully even if it’s no sugar, most of us don’t bother with low fat as higher fat content helps with providing energy in the absence of carbs. Full fat Greek yoghurt is what I have. Full fat food doesn’t affect cholesterol levels much anyway.
Other foods in your list which you might want to reduce or eliminate completely are the hummus, quinoa and lentils. Try the same meals without those elements and see if your numbers improve. You’re looking for a rise of no more than 2 eventually. However it’s early days for you, you’ve made a really good start.
 
Thanks, I will take that on board.

I have another question and apologies for keep coming back on this.

True is I’m not doing a Keto diet or Strict no carbs diet - that might be the problem - i wanted to do something more “sustainable” like a Mediterranean diet, hence why, hummus, quinoa and lentils were in the mix.

So am losing weight but my metabolism is not in Ketosis, my question is: what if I cheat? - I can’t help to wonder how having a piece of cake or couple slides of pizza will impact my overall health and my A1c average.

To be completely honest, I went to the supermarket today and nearly cry, I feel really sad about it. Everything in there is full of carbs.

Again, thanks for your help.
Luis-
 
Thanks, I will take that on board.

I have another question and apologies for keep coming back on this.

True is I’m not doing a Keto diet or Strict no carbs diet - that might be the problem - i wanted to do something more “sustainable” like a Mediterranean diet, hence why, hummus, quinoa and lentils were in the mix.

So am losing weight but my metabolism is not in Ketosis, my question is: what if I cheat? - I can’t help to wonder how having a piece of cake or couple slides of pizza will impact my overall health and my A1c average.

To be completely honest, I went to the supermarket today and nearly cry, I feel really sad about it. Everything in there is full of carbs.

Again, thanks for your help.
Luis-
I feel your pain. But have been adapting to change and was in Italy just a few days ago and managed a lower carb way over there. Are you in Italy right now?
 
My first meal today was almonds, roast lamb, cold, from yesterday, sweet red pepper, coleslaw, radish, celery, a bag of salad with oil and vinegar dressing, tomato, red Leicester cheese - drat - forgot the cucumber. It really was as much as I could eat.
For dinner tonight, beef steak with green beans.
Once you get into the routine, it really is a good diet.
Your Hba1c is not all that high, just cutting out the heavy carbs from your diet to get back to normal should give you a flying start. You can get a meter and see what you can cope with later on, but you might never want to go back to ordinary foods once you get the taste for low carbs.
 
Thanks, I will take that on board.

I have another question and apologies for keep coming back on this.

True is I’m not doing a Keto diet or Strict no carbs diet - that might be the problem - i wanted to do something more “sustainable” like a Mediterranean diet, hence why, hummus, quinoa and lentils were in the mix.

So am losing weight but my metabolism is not in Ketosis, my question is: what if I cheat? - I can’t help to wonder how having a piece of cake or couple slides of pizza will impact my overall health and my A1c average.

To be completely honest, I went to the supermarket today and nearly cry, I feel really sad about it. Everything in there is full of carbs.

Again, thanks for your help.
Luis-

There is no problem with coming back with more questions my first post here ran to 8 pages! :wideyed:
I eat 30 - 50g carbs per day and am in mild ketosis. This is enough for me to keep my HbA1c in non diabetic levels and I’m losing weight slowly now, having lost a shed load at the start. However I must qualify that with saying that I take a modest dose of Metformin too.
I would resist cheating for now, until you gain proper control. Once you have established that some type 2s do choose to have the occasional cheat. Not something I do as I enjoy my current diet and have found a selection of recipes for LC treats, pizza and cakes among them!
 
So am losing weight but my metabolism is not in Ketosis, my question is: what if I cheat? ....................
Luis-

If you're struggling then don't think of it as 'cheating'. Think of it as a 'reward'. Programme it into your diet and do it once a week - we cannot all be saints!
 
@Luissangiovanni
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it both interesting and helpful.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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