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Newly Diagnosed T2

Burnetty

Member
Messages
7
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi, I am 46 and overweight went to docs to see if i was menopausal and came out with T2

Hoping you can all advise been diagnosed 4 weeks ago HBA1C 57 then 56 two weeks later, Picked up loads really useful information from you all and have taken up the Low Carbs plan , Had 1st appointment with nurse who gave me glucose monitor and said test just before meal and two hours after to understand how my glucose is , I have been getting between 7.1-6 before meals and 5.8-6.3 2 hrs after are these numbers ok ?

She did want to prescribe metformin and cholesterol tablets my cholesterol at 4.8, I have asked to try 3 months diet to see how this impacts and doing a repeat HBA1C beginning Feb 17 to see if i have made positive improvements , Am sticking to less than 100g carb per day do i need to be concerned about the number of calories or just the Carbs as i want to loose about 4 stone

You thoughts and advise on this will be appreciated
 
@Burnetty sorry to welcome you to a place you would rather not be.You seem to have got your head round this much quicker than most. I found that when I cut the carbs, with the sole aim of reducing blood sugars the weight just fell away without any calorie counting. You might find that 100g of carbs is a little high to effect weight loss, try it and see, as we are all different.
You might like to look at the 5:2 diet, that certainly helped me.
You have a very enlightened Nurse, please send her my way, most T2's not on bloods sugar reducing drugs are not given meters and strips, we buy our own.
I am surprised that you Blood sugars are lower after a meal than before. Is the 2 hour measure after the first bite? (It should be) but certainly anything under 6 after meal is very good. However a reading over 6 before meal is a little higher than you might like.
 
I think that with a LCHF diet you are going to be great! Your blood sugars seem ok to me, perhaps a little high but nothing to be particularly worried about! Welcome to the Forum :) PS...Yes you do need to keep a watch on the Calories.... but don't worry I find it difficult to manage to reach 1,200 a day and I haven't lost more than a couple of kilos in 2months
 
@walnut_face
What reading would be a good reading before a meal ? only been testing last two days ? Was a bit worried when i got up this morning after a 8hr sleep reading at 7.3?

what should i be aiming for the nurse said
before meal between 4-7
2hrs after meal 4 - 9

How many carbs would you recommend per day to impact postively on sugars and weight ?
 
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Your Fasting numbers of 7.3 may be down to 'liver dump' or dawn phenonomum. It is often the last reading to fall into line. Your Nurse is right to ask you to concentrate on a before eating reading, and another 2 hours after the first mouthful. What you should look out for is the rise between the two, although, unusually you record a drop in your first post. Over time look for trends, please dont get hung up on individual readings, there are all sorts of reasons why you might get a higher than usual reading. Having said that if the rise is > 2mmol have a good look at what you ate and examine just how many carbs you have just eaten, repeat the meal a few days later with less carbs, and test again. If over the course of say a month the trend is upwards, adjust your diet, If the trend is down, then your diet is working for you.
 
@walnut_face
What reading would be a good reading before a meal ? only been testing last two days ? Was a bit worried when i got up this morning after a 8hr sleep reading at 7.3?

around 5.0 mmol would be a very good controled number before meal, then you can raise your blood glucose 2 mmol when eating without getting over the recomended border of 7mmol after eating..
but you have just started finding out how and what to eat . , so just keep on your good Work and get your number down in an time period where you also can follow what is going on..

good advice to count both calories and carbs in the beginning...
and if you use the same bowl and plate size then over time you will know in eye-sight how much you are having without weiging all the foods you eat on a daily basis all the time....

I use an APP on my iPhone called "lifesum" to keep track of both my calories and carbs and fat and proteins... it makes it very much easier...

but I don´t know what APPs are for android phones... maybe another person here will be able to tell you that
 
@walnut_face

Thanks for this what is liver dump' or dawn phenonomum?

I am quite scared at the moment as feel so out of control and want to get it right for not only myself but my daughter to ensure i am around for a long time and healthy , Thank you for telling me not to get to hung up on individual readings as the nurse said the same , She only gave me the monitor so i could try to understand how different foods effect me and also told me not to get obsessed testing that the HBA1C is the important as gives your the average glucose over three months

Would you say if i am for the following numbers im in a good place
before meal between 4-7
2hrs after meal 4 - 9

Thanks
 
@walnut_face

Thanks for this what is liver dump' or dawn phenonomum?

I am quite scared at the moment as feel so out of control and want to get it right for not only myself but my daughter to ensure i am around for a long time and healthy , Thank you for telling me not to get to hung up on individual readings as the nurse said the same , She only gave me the monitor so i could try to understand how different foods effect me and also told me not to get obsessed testing that the HBA1C is the important as gives your the average glucose over three months

Would you say if i am for the following numbers im in a good place
before meal between 4-7
2hrs after meal 4 - 9

Thanks
You would be in a very good place @Burnetty those numbers would be grand!
 
@Burnetty have a look http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html
It is very early days since your diagnosis, Diabetes is lifelong, it is not a sprint, nor a competition with others. The only person you need to be better than is the person you were yesterday, and that applies to everything and anything! It will take a while for the changes you make to feed through into lower BS, we were all impatient on diagnosis, and scared, confused etc. So everything you are experiencing is normal, and it will subside in due course. Your Diabetes management will just become another task on your daily 'to do' list
 
@walnut_face
What reading would be a good reading before a meal ? only been testing last two days ? Was a bit worried when i got up this morning after a 8hr sleep reading at 7.3?

what should i be aiming for the nurse said
before meal between 4-7
2hrs after meal 4 - 9

How many carbs would you recommend per day to impact postively on sugars and weight ?
You sound like you are doing good nothing to worry about with the levels you have been getting. The recommended levels given on the Diabetes.co.uk .web site is 4 to 7 before a meal and under 8.5 two hours later. There is no best level of carbs every one is different some people can eat more carbs than others and what one person may not be able to eat another can so it is all trial and error
 
Hi. Sounds like you are likely to do what you need to stay in control. Your numbers are not what I would call high at all, and the after meal numbers are oddly very good as they are lower than pre-meal. Bottom line..it's about cutting carbs, testing regularly until you identify patterns you can use and react to, and recording what you eat, when you eat it and the level before and 2.5 hours or so after. I worry way less about the waking reading these days as the system can produce glucose to prepare you for the day ahead...hence slight increases, bu that should come down to a more regularly lower number. I have tagged the amazing queen of info, @daisy1, who will be along with some very, very good guidelines. She must hate me by now...but it's very important stuff to take on board. Good luck.
 
@Burnetty

Here, just in case you haven't already seen it, is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions if you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Can't see why you would need cholesterol lowering tablets at 4.8. It's absolutely fine at that level.
The NHS guidelines are that cholesterol level should be 5 or less for a non-diabetic person, but 4 or less for a diabetic.
But there is a lot of debate on here and elsewhere if those figures mean much. I certainly wouldn't worry about a 4.8 reading, and it is the figures for HDL (good cholesterol), LDL (bad cholesterol) and triglycerides and their ratios to each other which are more important than the total figure.
Statins can have side effects including muscle pain and raising blood sugar levels. It is your decision as to whether you take them, but I have stopped taking them. My total cholesterol figure has gone up from 5.1 to 6.1 and my GP wants me to take them again, but my ratios are ok with LCHF and I am resisting going back on them.
 
Thanks for this what is liver dump' or dawn phenonomum?
Hi @Burnetty If you use the 'Search' box at top right hand side you will find a lot of information about this.
But basically your liver dumps stored glucose into your bloodstream if it thinks you don't have enough. This usually, but not always, happens as you are waking (hence Dawn Phenomenon) as that is when you haven't eaten for a few hours so your bs level will be lower and your liver is giving you an energy boost to get you going.
It's quite normal, non-diabetics can get it too. It's the reason why your morning reading can often be the highest of the day and the last to fall, when your liver has exhausted it's stored glucose.
 
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