Newly Diagnosed Type 2 confused by daily carbs intake!

zigzag

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Hello i was diagnosed Type 2 in December i see by the Forum that a Low Carbs High Fat plan considerably help Blood Sugar control and helps with
weight loss. Stuck for breakfast ideas keeping eggs for the occasional omelette. started with the suggested porridge but need to have a change
and i cannot find an easy and quick low sugar cereal. I could have toast but what could go with it and as i try to have a sandwich at lunchtime bit
concerned i may be overdoing the carbs too much bread. Maybe put on metformin in a few weeks time but may just be diet controlled. The HBa1c
test initially taken was 50 which i believe is 6.7 the second test was 48 which is 6.5 i was told the levels had changed and the test at 50 meant i was
diabetic. Have found the Forum very interesting as i am someone who prefers straight forward practical answers.
 

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Hello i was diagnosed Type 2 in December i see by the Forum that a Low Carbs High Fat plan considerably help Blood Sugar control and helps with
weight loss. Stuck for breakfast ideas keeping eggs for the occasional omelette. started with the suggested porridge but need to have a change
and i cannot find an easy and quick low sugar cereal. I could have toast but what could go with it and as i try to have a sandwich at lunchtime bit
concerned i may be overdoing the carbs too much bread. Maybe put on metformin in a few weeks time but may just be diet controlled. The HBa1c
test initially taken was 50 which i believe is 6.7 the second test was 48 which is 6.5 i was told the levels had changed and the test at 50 meant i was
diabetic. Have found the Forum very interesting as i am someone who prefers straight forward practical answers.
Hi zigzag,
Welcome to the forum, you have really come to the right place for a lot of help & advice.

First I think we need to Tag @daisy1 who will come along with a long list of very helpful information.

I'll come back & try and answer your food questions in a minute.

Neil
 
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@zigzag

Hello Zigzag and welcome to the forum :)

This is the information, that Neil referred to in his post, which we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. In particular it contains a lot of information about carbs. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Hi @zigzag,
At first it is very daunting with information overload apart from the shock of the diagnosis you think things will never be the same again, I can assure you if you get this under control which you can do it will become second nature.

You mention porridge for breakfast, but I'm not sure you would have got that recommendation here, porridge does spike many.

You need to be testing your Blood just before eating and 2 hrs after to see whether these foods affect you, if they do then you can avoid them.

As for breakfast, lots here have Full fat Yogurt with Berries and maybe Flaxseed or nuts sprinkled on I also sprinkle Granola on I cannot take 40g 1 serving as that spikes me also, cold meats, Cheeses. I also have Yogurt with 1/2 an apple as a whole apple is just too much sugar.

I can get away with 1 slice of Hovis seed sensations which you could have with melted cheese.

As for eggs you can have them scrambled, fried, poached, boiled. You can have mushrooms and bacon.

As for lunch Tinned Tuna (in springwater ) Mackerel, sardines, Salad, Olives, cheese, cold meats Ryvita, some crisp breads soft cheese spreads, Home made soup.

Main meals, All the meats all the veg's from above the ground some of the root vegetables are no no's need to test I'm alright with swede but Parsnips only in small quantities.
All the Fish from Salmon, Fresh Mackerel, Trout, Sardines again fresh .

Do you have a meter to test with, co's that the only way to find out which of the carbohydrates affect you.
Neil
 

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Hi and welcome. Yes, porridge can be a problem. I have a small portion of homemade muesli with dried sugar-free fruit and nuts. Oats are much better for you with cold milk. Your HBa1C isn't too bad but needs to be brought down nearer to 6%. Most cereals are best avoided but there are one or two that are the basic grain without added sugar which aren't too bad.
 

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To the forum you have come to the right place for help and advice.
 
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Hi nice to meet you

I mainly have alpen no added sugar with almond milk
Sometimes porridge oats , again almond milk unsweetened ...

I do like a cooked breakfast ....but only as a treat ....and with no eggs or meat ...
That means veggie sausage mushrooms and tomatoes ...
 

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Hello and welcome.

Please have a look at this thread, which you will find very useful and easy to understand

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

Yes, carbs do need to be reduced, and especially bread and cereals of any sort, rice, pasta, potatoes. You also need to be careful with fruit and milk.
Sugar of course has to be avoided, but you need to know that all carbs turn to glucose once inside the system.
 
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Hello i was diagnosed Type 2 in December i see by the Forum that a Low Carbs High Fat plan considerably help Blood Sugar control and helps with
weight loss. Stuck for breakfast ideas keeping eggs for the occasional omelette. started with the suggested porridge but need to have a change
and i cannot find an easy and quick low sugar cereal. I could have toast but what could go with it and as i try to have a sandwich at lunchtime bit
concerned i may be overdoing the carbs too much bread. Maybe put on metformin in a few weeks time but may just be diet controlled. The HBa1c
test initially taken was 50 which i believe is 6.7 the second test was 48 which is 6.5 i was told the levels had changed and the test at 50 meant i was
diabetic. Have found the Forum very interesting as i am someone who prefers straight forward practical answers.

I tried toast this morning after @noblehead reccomended peanut butter. Apparently the fats slow down the ingestion and breakdown of carbs so that you don't spike to sharply. Seemed to work for me today, but first time I tried it so will do it again to see if its repeatable.
 
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Hello i was diagnosed Type 2 in December i see by the Forum that a Low Carbs High Fat plan considerably help Blood Sugar control and helps with
weight loss. Stuck for breakfast ideas keeping eggs for the occasional omelette. started with the suggested porridge but need to have a change
and i cannot find an easy and quick low sugar cereal. I could have toast but what could go with it and as i try to have a sandwich at lunchtime bit
concerned i may be overdoing the carbs too much bread. Maybe put on metformin in a few weeks time but may just be diet controlled. The HBa1c
test initially taken was 50 which i believe is 6.7 the second test was 48 which is 6.5 i was told the levels had changed and the test at 50 meant i was
diabetic. Have found the Forum very interesting as i am someone who prefers straight forward practical answers.
Try Burgen Linseed and Soya bread this is better for us and a lot here have it It makes good toast I love pate,or mashed sardines with vinegar and mayo on it i or my favorite mix of cheese tomato and onion blitzed up with mayo and spread on the toast and popped under the grill this is good for lunch or breakfast
 
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Hi, I find it hard to go low/no carbs when at work as I need something that's easy to eat, easy to carry around with me and doesn't need heating up so I'm currently going for a no carb breakfast, normal lunch (swap white for seeded etc) and low/no carb dinner so on balance it works out ok.

I'm actually enjoying eating like this, it's much more fun than boring cereal!
 
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Hi, I find it hard to go low/no carbs when at work as I need something that's easy to eat, easy to carry around with me and doesn't need heating up so I'm currently going for a no carb breakfast, normal lunch (swap white for seeded etc) and low/no carb dinner so on balance it works out ok.

I'm actually enjoying eating like this, it's much more fun than boring cereal!
Sounds not too bad to me, understand the difficulty of transporting the food. If you get the bread that has been suggested the Bergen or the Hovis seed sensations 14g per slice, have meat in it or tuna, cheese but use plenty of butter. If you want to supplement that Have what I have the fresh Olives large & small you can get them stuffed with all sorts of things, you buy them loose in waitrose or tescos. they fill you up, also tomatoes in particular the cherry and small plumb variety all low carbs.
Neil
 
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zigzag

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Thank You All - The Forum has been the very best place to sort out my confusion. The fact that when told
you are diabetic you are still told to eat Carbs is head spinning because you are also told that blood sugar
control is important - until i found the Forum i could not make sense of it all. Now i know that lower carb
intake and better choice of carbohydrate is the key.
 
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You don't mention a meter to test your blood glucose. If you don't do that you won't know what spikes you.
 
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:) since oats has been mentioned a couple of times, on a side note...i looked up organic oats on calorie count & apparently there is a whopping 27gms of carbs in a 39gm serving. the curious thing is that it says 0gms sugar and 4gms fiber...so what the heck is the other 23 grams? am i missing something? :banghead:

i also looked at another site that says almost the same thing with 48gm serving containing 32 grams carbs but only 1gm sugar & 5 grams fiber.

can someone please, please enlighten me..thanks
 

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Its simple , carbs turn into glucose = higher the carbs = more glucose = ::((
 
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:) since oats has been mentioned a couple of times, on a side note...i looked up organic oats on calorie count & apparently there is a whopping 27gms of carbs in a 39gm serving. the curious thing is that it says 0gms sugar and 4gms fiber...so what the heck is the other 23 grams? am i missing something? :banghead:

i also looked at another site that says almost the same thing with 48gm serving containing 32 grams carbs but only 1gm sugar & 5 grams fiber.

can someone please, please enlighten me..thanks
Starch.
 

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:) since oats has been mentioned a couple of times, on a side note...i looked up organic oats on calorie count & apparently there is a whopping 27gms of carbs in a 39gm serving. the curious thing is that it says 0gms sugar and 4gms fiber...so what the heck is the other 23 grams? am i missing something? :banghead:

i also looked at another site that says almost the same thing with 48gm serving containing 32 grams carbs but only 1gm sugar & 5 grams fiber.

can someone please, please enlighten me..thanks

39g total

made up of


Total Fat 2.5g
Carbohydrates 27g
Dietary Fiber 4g%
Protein 5g



Read more: Calories in Wild Oats - Organic Oats, Old Fashioned | Nutrition and Health Facts http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-wild-oats-organic-i181624#ixzz3PMp8wlcc