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Type 2 Newly Diagnosed

trimy

Member
Messages
11
Location
Brentford
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi
I have recently been diagnosed with type 2 and prescribed Metformin. I've been takin it for about a month now but am getting pins and needles in my hands and feet. My doctor hasn't been great to be honest and the dosage I am taking is low. Has anyone else had this and does it go once the body gets used to the medication
 
Hi @trimy, welcome to the forum. I think you need to get advice from a doctor or nurse about this. Have you had your feet checked?

Going to tag @daisy1 for some new member information for you.
 
Welcome to the forum @trimy. I haven't used metfornin so I can't answer your question, but some forum members have said they get side effects, usually bowel problems, but they settle down after a couple of weeks. I can't remember hands and feet problems being mentioned. But I expect people who are/were on metfornin will be along to give you some advice.
 
@trimy

Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope it will be useful to you. Ask as many questions you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi @trimy, welcome to the forum. I think you need to get advice from a doctor or nurse about this. Have you had your feet checked?

Going to tag @daisy1 for some new member information for you.
Thank you for your reply. I am due to see my GP early September but she's already dismissed it as nothing to worry about. But it's getting worse and stopped when I stopped taking Metformin. To be honest I feel like I've been diagnosed and left to get on with it
 
Hi @trimy, welcome to the forum. I think you need to get advice from a doctor or nurse about this. Have you had your feet checked?

Going to tag @daisy1 for some new member information for you.
Hi, no I've not had my feet checked yet, is this something I should do. My hands are worse than my feet
 
@trimy

Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope it will be useful to you. Ask as many questions you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Thank you for all the advice it's far more than I'm getting from my GP. I have started following a low carb diet and doing a bit more exercise. It's all a little overwhelming but I find this site really helpful x
 
I would book an appointment with the surgery nurse or doctor as soon as possible. Tell them about your symptoms and that you have stopped taking the Metformin which has improved matters. Hopefully this will encourage them to do the tests to rule out the simple things like vitiamin deficiency.

Do you know the tests and results that led to you being diagnosed? Do you have meter to test your sugars at home?
 
Hi and welcome,

You will get a lot of help and support on this forum. All you have to do is ask.

Metformin is a very mild drug and does little to help with blood sugar levels. It can help reduce insulin resistance and also with the amount of glucose the liver produces, but it won't keep any post meal spikes down in your blood sugars. The correct diet will do that. Metformin helps more in overweight people because it is an appetite suppressant.

Were your blood sugar levels high when you were diagnosed? Do you know what your HbA1c was? I ask because high blood sugar levels over a period of time can cause the pins and needles in the extremities. This is known as peripheral neuropathy. Once the BS levels are under control, this may improve or even disappear.
 
Hi. Do buy a glucose meter to check your blood sugar levels. What was your HBa1C blood sugar reading assuming you've had a blood test done? Make sure you surgery has done at least one HBa1C blood test within 3 months of diagnosis and that you are told the result. Pins and needles with Metformin is unsual but you've proved the point by stopping them. As Bluetit1802 says Metformin is not a vital drug and if it gives you problems you should discuss stopping it with the GP. It does help if you are overweight, however but so does a low-carb diet. GPs rely very much on this drug sometimes without thinking; it's your choice.
 
I would book an appointment with the surgery nurse or doctor as soon as possible. Tell them about your symptoms and that you have stopped taking the Metformin which has improved matters. Hopefully this will encourage them to do the tests to rule out the simple things like vitiamin deficiency.

Do you know the tests and results that led to you being diagnosed? Do you have meter to test your sugars at home?
Hi, I have blood test in 2 weeks time. My
Hi and welcome,

You will get a lot of help and support on this forum. All you have to do is ask.

Metformin is a very mild drug and does little to help with blood sugar levels. It can help reduce insulin resistance and also with the amount of glucose the liver produces, but it won't keep any post meal spikes down in your blood sugars. The correct diet will do that. Metformin helps more in overweight people because it is an appetite suppressant.

Were your blood sugar levels high when you were diagnosed? Do you know what your HbA1c was? I ask because high blood sugar levels over a period of time can cause the pins and needles in the extremities. This is known as peripheral neuropathy. Once the BS levels are under control, this may improve or even disappear.
Hi, I was told my Hba1c was low at 55, I am a little overweight and have lost weight since being on a low carb diet. I know I feel worse on the Metformin than I do without it but my GP seems a little dismissive of any symptoms
 
I would book an appointment with the surgery nurse or doctor as soon as possible. Tell them about your symptoms and that you have stopped taking the Metformin which has improved matters. Hopefully this will encourage them to do the tests to rule out the simple things like vitiamin deficiency.

Do you know the tests and results that led to you being diagnosed? Do you have meter to test your sugars at home?
Hi, I was told I was relatively low at 53. I gave also been told not to test but I have and I'm normally around 7 before meals but have never tested after meals. I didn't realise I should test before and after meals
 
Hi. Do buy a glucose meter to check your blood sugar levels. What was your HBa1C blood sugar reading assuming you've had a blood test done? Make sure you surgery has done at least one HBa1C blood test within 3 months of diagnosis and that you are told the result. Pins and needles with Metformin is unsual but you've proved the point by stopping them. As Bluetit1802 says Metformin is not a vital drug and if it gives you problems you should discuss stopping it with the GP. It does help if you are overweight, however but so does a low-carb diet. GPs rely very much on this drug sometimes without thinking; it's your choice.
I do have a meter but it seems I've been doing it wrong. My HBa1c was 53 which my GP said was low. I've started a low carb diet but am hungry a lot. I'm due to have a blood test in 2 weeks and to see my GP early Sept
 
I also got pins a needles in my hands with metformin. This maybe caused by vitamin B12 deficiency. Metformin can result in a lower B12 uptake which causes symptoms of neuropathy. I started taking B12 vitamins and Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) supplements. ALA is good for neuropathy.

I firstly reduced to only only 500mg pill and then stopped taking metformin altogether as it was causing me too many issues. I found I was very tired as metformin made me get up in the middle of the night to pee and I was getting a fractured sleep pattern. My blood sugars have not risen since I stopped metformin and the pins and needles have gone and I now sleep better.

Metformin does not reduce blood sugars my much, typically about 1%, whereas a LCHF diet is much more effective.
 
I also got pins a needles in my hands with metformin. This maybe caused by vitamin B12 deficiency. Metformin can result in a lower B12 uptake which causes symptoms of neuropathy. I started taking B12 vitamins and Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) supplements. ALA is good for neuropathy.

I firstly reduced to only only 500mg pill and then stopped taking metformin altogether as it was causing me too many issues. I found I was very tired as metformin made me get up in the middle of the night to pee and I was getting a fractured sleep pattern. My blood sugars have not risen since I stopped metformin and the pins and needles have gone and I now sleep better.

Metformin does not reduce blood sugars my much, typically about 1%, whereas a LCHF diet is much more effective.
Thank you very much for your reply I was also really tired on metformin. I just feel better without it and stay on the low carb diet
 
Hi, I was told I was relatively low at 53. I gave also been told not to test but I have and I'm normally around 7 before meals but have never tested after meals. I didn't realise I should test before and after meals

Testing before and after meals (2 hours after first bite) and keeping a detailed food diary is the best way to learn which foods your body can cope with. Record your levels alongside your food and look at the rise from before to after. Initially when you are learning this is the best way to go. The rise should be as little as possible, definitely under 2mmol/l. If it is more than that there are too many carbs in that meal. Patterns will soon emerge, giving you the opportunity to tweak certain foods by either eliminating some or cutting the portion sizes.

Your HbA1c of 53 is not drastic. These are the levels for diagnosis:
Under 42 is non-diabetic
42 to 47 is pre-diabetic
48 and over is diabetic.
 
Hello and welcome. I've never taken metformin and I have permanent "tingly toes" as my GP calls it, which is sort of pins and needles, but my annual foot test last week scored 100% (said the nurse). My feet are nearly always nice and warm (lovely in winter). After 4 years since diagnosis I don't expect any change. That's life, that's diabetes.
I also get slight pins and needles in both hands, especially the left, and occasionally "dead" (white) thumbs and middle fingers. I put this down to a variety of odd heartbeats and perhaps furred-up arteries due partly to age and partly to high fat consumption. I don't expect any change in this either since my diet has brought my HbA1C level down by one point every year so far to pre-diabetic. I will be happy if that continues too.
Others here have already given good advice. Do work out a fingerprick testing routine and stick to it. It may be inconvenient but it's not nearly as inconvenient as the awful results of neglected diabetes. Make a note of what food does what to your blood sugar.
Stay on the happy side of Diabetes Street!
 
Testing before and after meals (2 hours after first bite) and keeping a detailed food diary is the best way to learn which foods your body can cope with. Record your levels alongside your food and look at the rise from before to after. Initially when you are learning this is the best way to go. The rise should be as little as possible, definitely under 2mmol/l. If it is more than that there are too many carbs in that meal. Patterns will soon emerge, giving you the opportunity to tweak certain foods by either eliminating some or cutting the portion sizes.

Your HbA1c of 53 is not drastic. These are the levels for diagnosis:
Under 42 is non-diabetic
42 to 47 is pre-diabetic
48 and over is diabetic.
Hi thank you for the advice I will start testing before and after meals. I am trying really hard to stick to a low carb diet. The advice on here us fab as I've kind of been left to get on with it.
 
Hello and welcome. I've never taken metformin and I have permanent "tingly toes" as my GP calls it, which is sort of pins and needles, but my annual foot test last week scored 100% (said the nurse). My feet are nearly always nice and warm (lovely in winter). After 4 years since diagnosis I don't expect any change. That's life, that's diabetes.
I also get slight pins and needles in both hands, especially the left, and occasionally "dead" (white) thumbs and middle fingers. I put this down to a variety of odd heartbeats and perhaps furred-up arteries due partly to age and partly to high fat consumption. I don't expect any change in this either since my diet has brought my HbA1C level down by one point every year so far to pre-diabetic. I will be happy if that continues too.
Others here have already given good advice. Do work out a fingerprick testing routine and stick to it. It may be inconvenient but it's not nearly as inconvenient as the awful results of neglected diabetes. Make a note of what food does what to your blood sugar.
Stay on the happy side of Diabetes Street!
Thank you, so it could just be the diabetes that causes it. I'm following a low carb diet and am going to start testing as per the advice on here. I definitely want to keep on the happy side if it
 
You could look into getting a Libre it's expensive at around £140 for the first 4 weeks but it would give you 24/7 testing so you can see exactly what's going on with your BG. Once you're got an idea of what foods you can have you won't need to test so much.
 
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