NHS Soup and Shakes diet

[WinstonR]

Hi,

Has or is anyone taking part in this?

I've recently started this, I'm onto my 4th week. Settled in quite quickly after the first couple of days. Just wondered how other people were getting on? I'm slightly worried as recently had my bloods done and my hba1c has gone from 69 to 82, however I have had to stop all meds doing this.

I'm also only doing the shakes currently, I'm struggling with including veg, the recipes provided aren't very appealing, and was looking for some inspiration.

 

[nanabon]

I was going to ask the same. My endocrinologist has referred me and I agreed to have a look at it but I am concerned that the shakes are highly processed which for me is a no go. I have cut out over 80% of highly processed food as I feel rubbish when I eat this frankenfood. I'm also a little concerned about the low calorie count as in the past when I have done very low calorie diets (500 - 800), my metabolism slows to the point where all I can do is sleep. The doc that referred me could not answer my questions. I'm ok to do fasting a couple times a week but not sure I can maintain this diet for 12 weeks. I have lost 2 stone in the last 6 months but I guess I'm not losing it fast enough. I've been told that this has a good chance of putting my diabetes in remission and I wondered how many people may have achieved that on this diet.

 

[Oldvatr]

I was going to ask the same. My endocrinologist has referred me and I agreed to have a look at it but I am concerned that the shakes are highly processed which for me is a no go. I have cut out over 80% of highly processed food as I feel rubbish when I eat this frankenfood. I'm also a little concerned about the low calorie count as in the past when I have done very low calorie diets (500 - 800), my metabolism slows to the point where all I can do is sleep. The doc that referred me could not answer my questions. I'm ok to do fasting a couple times a week but not sure I can maintain this diet for 12 weeks. I have lost 2 stone in the last 6 months but I guess I'm not losing it fast enough. I've been told that this has a good chance of putting my diabetes in remission and I wondered how many people may have achieved that on this diet.

We have seen many reports here of initial success with this diet plan, but like most ultra low calorie diets, it;s results are not permanent, and it is the follow on stages that are very important. If you are expecting this diet to then let you eat normally as before then beware, it can be a revolving door with the need to repeat periodically. success generally means ongoing reduced portion size, reduced calorie intake and strict control of weight when the diet stops.

It is a standard diet plan (similar or in effect the same as the Slimfast, or the Cambridge diet plans from the 60's and it in itself is not a magic potion - it is the weight loss that is the active ingredient and control will be needed for years to maintain the low weight.


They have just reported the first 10 year follow up to this plan, and I think only some 7% of those who succeeded in 'remission' when the plan ended, were still in remission (HbA1 c <48) at 10 years. Of the original study group being monitored the success rate for remission from the plan itself was only about 46% when the plan ended after the 8 weeks course

So it looks like the long term (10 year) success rate is around 3 or 4%

 

[MissMuffett]

I was going to ask the same. My endocrinologist has referred me and I agreed to have a look at it but I am concerned that the shakes are highly processed which for me is a no go. I have cut out over 80% of highly processed food as I feel rubbish when I eat this frankenfood. I'm also a little concerned about the low calorie count as in the past when I have done very low calorie diets (500 - 800), my metabolism slows to the point where all I can do is sleep. The doc that referred me could not answer my questions. I'm ok to do fasting a couple times a week but not sure I can maintain this diet for 12 weeks. I have lost 2 stone in the last 6 months but I guess I'm not losing it fast enough. I've been told that this has a good chance of putting my diabetes in remission and I wondered how many people may have achieved that on this diet.

It sounds like you have done a brilliant job on your own so far and losing 2 stone is a great achievement. I wouldn’t risk going on a low calorie diet as metabolism slows down to compensate. I’d rather eat real food

 

[HSSS]

We have seen many reports here of initial success with this diet plan, but like most ultra low calorie diets, it;s results are not permanent, and it is the follow on stages that are very important. If you are expecting this diet to then let you eat normally as before then beware, it can be a revolving door with the need to repeat periodically. success generally means ongoing reduced portion size, reduced calorie intake and strict control of weight when the diet stops.

It is a standard diet plan (similar or in effect the same as the Slimfast, or the Cambridge diet plans from the 60's and it in itself is not a magic potion - it is the weight loss that is the active ingredient and control will be needed for years to maintain the low weight.


They have just reported the first 10 year follow up to this plan, and I think only some 7% of those who succeeded in 'remission' when the plan ended, were still in remission (HbA1 c <48) at 10 years. Of the original study group being monitored the success rate for remission from the plan itself was only about 46% when the plan ended after the 8 weeks course

So it looks like the long term (10 year) success rate is around 3 or 4%

5 Yr reports not 10

 

[MrsA2]

I was going to ask the same. My endocrinologist has referred me and I agreed to have a look at it but I am concerned that the shakes are highly processed which for me is a no go. I have cut out over 80% of highly processed food as I feel rubbish when I eat this frankenfood. I'm also a little concerned about the low calorie count as in the past when I have done very low calorie diets (500 - 800), my metabolism slows to the point where all I can do is sleep. The doc that referred me could not answer my questions. I'm ok to do fasting a couple times a week but not sure I can maintain this diet for 12 weeks. I have lost 2 stone in the last 6 months but I guess I'm not losing it fast enough. I've been told that this has a good chance of putting my diabetes in remission and I wondered how many people may have achieved that on this diet.

What are you eating, and when? There maybe tweaks that can be made.
And why keep in 20% processed foods? Why not ditch them all?

 

[Oldvatr]

Mea Culpa

Weight loss can put type 2 diabetes into remission for at least 5 years, DiRECT study reveals

UPDATE, 26 FEBRUARY, 2024: This article has been updated following new findings into our landmark DiRECT study which have been published in the Lancet. Results from a three-year extension of our landmark DIRECT study reveal that for some it’s possible to stay in remission of type 2 diabetes for...

www.diabetes.org.uk

 

[HSSS]

Mea Culpa

Weight loss can put type 2 diabetes into remission for at least 5 years, DiRECT study reveals

UPDATE, 26 FEBRUARY, 2024: This article has been updated following new findings into our landmark DiRECT study which have been published in the Lancet. Results from a three-year extension of our landmark DIRECT study reveal that for some it’s possible to stay in remission of type 2 diabetes for...

www.diabetes.org.uk

Worth noting for those reading the summary above that’s 23% of those that made it to the end of year 2. Not 23% of those that started it. That figure is down to 7% from memory. Amazing for them, not so much for the other 93%, although being fair I’d assume some of them are probably better off than they would otherwise have been even if not in remission. The nearest I’ve heard about for low carb is the Virta studies which I’m have better results but isn’t being taken as seriously.

 

[nanabon]

What are you eating, and when? There maybe tweaks that can be made.
And why keep in 20% processed foods? Why not ditch them all?

I eat 50 - 100 grams carbs a day. I know it's not that low but I struggle with lower. I would like to eat all organic but approx 20% are not organic and therefore I don't know if they are GMO or have been sprayed with something - insecticide, herbicide, or preservative. Also, non-organic meats can be adulterated with hormones or antibiotics - who knows what the animal has been fed that I will be ingesting by proxy. This is what I mean by 'processed'. The reason I have this non-organic food in my diet is because of pricing. Life is expensive these days.

 

[HSSS]

I eat 50 - 100 grams carbs a day. I know it's not that low but I struggle with lower. I would like to eat all organic but approx 20% are not organic and therefore I don't know if they are GMO or have been sprayed with something - insecticide, herbicide, or preservative. Also, non-organic meats can be adulterated with hormones or antibiotics - who knows what the animal has been fed that I will be ingesting by proxy. This is what I mean by 'processed'. The reason I have this non-organic food in my diet is because of pricing. Life is expensive these days.

There’s a difference between non organic and non processed.

Your definition does seem to me to be about organic, rather than what the vast majority of us consider processed. It’s likely to cause confusion so it’s as well you’ve clarified.