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No carbs no sugar...day 1

There is no Spoon said:
First thing to check is your bg levels to make sure this isn't a real response and your need sugar.

BUT if that is not the case then since your not even half way through day one, you have to assume it's an emotional response
"I can't have is so I want it." :meh:

It might be a wiser choice to take today as day one of cutting back on carbs and sugar and keep cutting back gradually instead of trying to do it all in one go. There is nothing wrong with taking baby steps, as long as there in the right direction.

I think everyone here will agree with your decision and wants to support you in cutting down on the sugar and carbs,
just remember Rome wasn't built in a day.;)
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And why wasnt rome built in a day?
Too many lazy slaves thats the problem lol
Im half way through this day and ive burned up,dizziness, and little week but seem ok at moment.
My bloods are dropping as well without any medication
 
steveis36 said:
gagging for a sugar fix of some sort
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You might like to try Berocca, zero carbs therefore zero sugar. Tastes sweet, but no artificial sweetener. Just be careful, I use it to negate the effects of taking codeine. I can tolerate 4 as opposed to the recommended one a day. Failure to be careful could lead to frequently rushing to the loo. Almost as effective as Moviprep, something us over 60s will probably be aware of.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
You might like to try Berocca, zero carbs therefore zero sugar. Tastes sweet, but no artificial sweetener. Just be careful, I use it to negate the effects of taking codeine. I can tolerate 4 as opposed to the recommended one a day. Failure to be careful could lead to frequently rushing to the loo. Almost as effective as Moviprep, something us over 60s will probably be aware of.
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Cool
Im going to ease of the carbs and sugars rather than going cold turkey, which was ** hard work.
However 4lbs in first day is no bad
On second day but i have had 2x weetabix and i took a Gliclazide but im hopeing now just too have protein and veg for rest of the day every 3 hours

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steveis36 said:
Cool
Im going to ease of the carbs and sugars rather than going cold turkey, which was ** hard work.
However 4lbs in first day is no bad
On second day but i have had 2x weetabix and i took a Gliclazide but im hopeing now just too have protein and veg for rest of the day every 3 hours
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Fat is the key to feeling full. Try a coffee with cream, eggs and bacon, also try to get out of the every 3 hours regime. It's not good for you.

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bulkbiker said:
Fat is the key to feeling full. Try a coffee with cream, eggs and bacon, also try to get out of the every 3 hours regime. It's not good for you.
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Ummm interesting
Im following a work out plan that is sapose to speed up metabolism and keeps u ticking over as dont wont to workout on empty tank.

Im on weights lifting heavy 4 days with 3 off this and next week.

Im finding it a bit of a struggle eating 4-6 small meals aday and the main priority at the moment is to get weight off so diabetic nurse said as cholesterol is slightly up as well
 
Lots of people find working out fasted is far easier and more effective than working out after eating. I don't work out so can't comment on that. Fasting can also assist with upping your metabolic rate so a double whammy win win.
Eating lots of small meals keeps triggering your insulin response to food which is not what you as a Type 2 want to do. Your insulin is always raised so you probably can't access your fat stores as you are in storage mode. Is this workout plan a Type 2 specific one?
If you want to lose weight its far better to have fewer larger meals then fast between them. At least thats's what I found without exercise. I never eat breakfast just lunch and dinner or sometimes just dinner. No snacks.
 
steveis36 said:
Im going to ease of the carbs and sugars rather than going cold turkey, which was frigging hard work.
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Some years ago I tried Atkins, it was virtually impossible. I think easing off on the carbs is a much better idea. Personally I cut what I call obvious carbs bread/rice/potato/pasta. Not only did that cut 700 cals from my daily intake, but reduced my carb intake to around 40gms per day, all of those carbs being veg like courgette, onion, tomato, peppers, cauliflower, leaks, broccoli, spinach, also mushrooms.

steveis36 said:
However 4lbs in first day is no bad
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When losing weight you have to remember the effects of water (retention or dehydration) which can be significant. Another thing to consider is intestinal transit time. Slowing down can make it look as if you're gaining weight, when it's just stuff that is taking to long to transit the system.

steveis36 said:
i took a Gliclazide
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Gliclazide affects people in different ways, for me, I gained 10 kgs, but that was before cutting carbs. It has been discussed on this forum and like most things, different people experience different side effects, sometimes exact opposites. One thing I should add that being on Gliclazide which makes the pancreas produce more insulin, and cutting carbs, look out for hypos. My BG dropped enough for me to ditch gliclazide and januvia.

All the best.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Some years ago I tried Atkins, it was virtually impossible. I think easing off on the carbs is a much better idea. Personally I cut what I call obvious carbs bread/rice/potato/pasta. Not only did that cut 700 cals from my daily intake, but reduced my carb intake to around 40gms per day, all of those carbs being veg like courgette, onion, tomato, peppers, cauliflower, leaks, broccoli, spinach, also mushrooms.



When losing weight you have to remember the effects of water (retention or dehydration) which can be significant. Another thing to consider is intestinal transit time. Slowing down can make it look as if you're gaining weight, when it's just stuff that is taking to long to transit the system.



Gliclazide affects people in different ways, for me, I gained 10 kgs, but that was before cutting carbs. It has been discussed on this forum and like most things, different people experience different side effects, sometimes exact opposites. One thing I should add that being on Gliclazide which makes the pancreas produce more insulin, and cutting carbs, look out for hypos. My BG dropped enough for me to ditch gliclazide and januvia.

All the best.
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Yes i do keep an eye on bgs when take Gliclazide and even though my bgs are still a little high i find they do plummet when on high protien and working out and im not even taking gliclazide.
So at mo i take Gliclazide when i have a little carbs and im haveing a lazy day
Not sure if thats wise but im just trying to keep my bgs under 8-9mmol as my HBN1C was 73 (11mmol).
My diabetic nurse tells me the only side effect could be weight gain and doc says theres no side effects
I do loose confidence in doc and nurse especially when they dont know about high fat and protein diets.
My doc wanted me to get on GI diet, and when i herd how many grams of carbs women should have i turned dvd off......150gram......WOW my bgs would have gone into another galaxy
 
Hello, and my advice from ditching the carbs is.....Relax. It's a lot of information, a lot to do, and can be stressful and therefore self defeating.

I cut the carbs very slowly. Obvious contenders like fruit juice, cakes and sweeties went out of my diet first, then bread, then potatoes and pasta, then rice, etc. I was on gliclazide which made me really rather hungry all the time, so it was difficult to lose weight. I'm off that now, having dropped my Hba1c from 108 to 51.

2 rules that work for me;
Eat when you are hungry
Eat until you are full

It gets easier, I promise. I never thought I could give up bread, etc forever. Now, on the very rare occasion I do have half a slice I really don't enjoy it, finding it dry and tasteless. I only really like the butter that goes on!

Don't be concerned about 'fasting'. Personally, I don't eat after 7pm, then I frequently don't want breakfast. That's a little fast, but I prefer to think of it as not eating when I'm not hungry = gob smackingly obvious.

If you find yourself hungry 3 hours after your last meal, then I would suggest the meal wasn't large enough and you could perhaps try for more fibre and fat content. If you're simply feeling peckish without the hunger pangs try a slice of cheese or a handful of nuts if you really can't wait or are in a rush to get out and about somewhere.

But back to my main point - chill - you're educated, you're motivated and you Will get there. Takes time, is all.
 
steveis36 said:
My doc wanted me to get on GI diet,
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I understand the concept behind GI diet eat food that takes longer to digest and there fore a slower increase in blood sugar, which in turn avoids peeks in bg which should lessen the amount of insulin flooding your system.

BUT my reading of that is sugar does you harm so eat it slowly and you will be able to eat even more sugar. :meh::banghead:

@Runica has one of the simplest and best pieces of advice, it's so simple I often forget to mention it "Eat when your hungry" I stopped eating to the clock a couple of months back and it does make a difference.

Breakfast, lunch time and dinner time :meh:
if you are not hungry at these times you are just constantly topping up your blood sugars.

You mentioned eating every 4 hours it should take an average person eating an average meal 6 hour to digest that meal. (Whatever Average means)
Taking this in to account a higher carb meal because it quickly and easily digestible tends to take around 4 hours with a peek in blood sugar in the second hour. In real world terms this means about 2 hours in your peckish and around the 3 hour mark your starting to feel hungry.

Its one of the reason LCHF is so good for helping to lower bg levels because you feel fuller for longer.
Simply put stop eating to the clock and listen to your stomach. ;)
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steveis36 said:
I do loose confidence in doc and nurse especially when they dont know about high fat and protein diets.
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Like you, I hate it when they "sing from different song books". I'm lucky that my GPs and DN are very supportive and even the diabetic specialist I saw last year wanted to give me a book on low carb dieting. So, hopefully things are changing.

Some GPs and DNs seem to stop learning after they qualify. I fully understand how GPs, having done their medical degree, a couple of years or more in a hospital setting as a qualified doctor and then further training to become a GP, feel that they know everything and the "facts" they have learned in that time are not changing. Nothing can be further from the truth.

I feel fortunate in having two friends, one in Cardiff and the other in Ware, whose daughter-in-laws have both just gone into general practice. Speaking to them is like a breath of fresh air, up to speed on the more up to date thinking on nutrition and much more open to new ideas. Long may they continue with that attitude.
 
JohnEGreen said:
If you are actually trying to remain sugar and carb free for the day then apples are out as they do contain sugar as to ACV I am unsure.

Are you really sure about going completely zero carb not that theres anything wrong with that am just curious.
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Everyone needs some carbs. Just high quality low gi ones. I'd be very careful about cutting out all carbs..you need energy. Small pieces of fruit a couple of times a day should be fine. Good luck
 
mrsmusic said:
Everyone needs some carbs. Just high quality low gi ones. I'd be very careful about cutting out all carbs..you need energy. Small pieces of fruit a couple of times a day should be fine. Good luck
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Sorry but that isn't correct and fruit is probably the worst way of getting carbs for a Type 2.
 
mrsmusic said:
Everyone needs some carbs. Just high quality low gi ones. I'd be very careful about cutting out all carbs..you need energy. Small pieces of fruit a couple of times a day should be fine. Good luck
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Hi mrsmusic,
There is no "right way" just the way that works for you. And if your getting good results that's great. :joyful:

I got good results, lower bg and lost weight, eating pizzas, steak pie & chips but I wouldn't recommend that as the way to go for anyone. :p
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