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NO CURE IT'S THE BIGGEST CON OF ALL

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ecneps

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It's not in the interest of pharmaceutical company's to find a cure for diabetes they make billlions and i mean billions each and every year pedelling their pills
Authors are making millions out of the useless books they sell us whether it be cookery or otherwise ( antony worroll thompson book is useless)
The food industry is selling us the diabetic community diabetic food at vastly inflated profits
even this forum has adverts asking us to buy the bayer USB testing kit
Be it pills,books, food, devices it's keeping millions and millions of people in jobs
its' the biggest con of the last century and this one to boot
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I forgot to mention the useless herbs and pills and potions they flog us cinnamon is just cinnamon for use in the food chain and making cakes etc
and all the NHS doctors and diabetic nurses they would all be out of a job?
 
I agree with you more or less.....
Thats why I control my diabetes by leading an active, healthy low carb lifestyle, I refuse to buy foods that are labelled 'diabetic friendly' because I cook and bake from scratch.
I dont buy recipe books, Anthony Worrall Thompsons book isnt even about low carb, if I ate the meals that he recommends I would find it very difficult to control my diabetes.
There are plenty of good low carb reccipes on the web, they can be shared and are free, although as a matter of respect I always enclose a link to where the original recipe came from.
 
Cookery books related to "The Atkins Diet" have some excellent recipes for low carb diabetics.
Anthony Worral-Thompson's book isn't much good, but it follows the D. uk party line. He wrote it after being diagnosed T2 and before he had time to learn sense, if he has done.
Hana
 
WhitbyJet said:
I dont buy recipe books, Anthony Worrall Thompsons book isnt even about low carb, if I ate the meals that he recommends I would find it very difficult to control my diabetes.
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Although your shopping bill would be much reduced, because you could steal all the ingredients from Tescos.
 
ecneps said:
It's not in the interest of pharmaceutical company's to find a cure for diabetes they make billlions and i mean billions each and every year pedelling their pills
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And what about all the research done by charities?


ecneps said:
Authors are making millions out of the useless books they sell us whether it be cookery or otherwise ( antony worroll thompson book is useless)
The food industry is selling us the diabetic community diabetic food at vastly inflated profits
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I agree but no one is forcing you to buy these products :roll: I have never bought a diabetic product in all the time I have been diabetic, books yes but that is my choice whether I buy a book or not, I bought Bernstiens book which I didnt find very useful at all as I couldnt live on the sort of diet he advocates but I dont moan about wasting my money or being ripped off, I just wouldnt buy any other titles he may publish.

ecneps said:
even this forum has adverts asking us to buy the bayer USB testing kit
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Not sure what you mean by that there are NO adverts on this forum, on the D.C.UK web page perhaps but not on this forum.

ecneps said:
Be it pills,books, food, devices it's keeping millions and millions of people in jobs
its' the biggest con of the last century and this one to boot
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How can it be a con if its keeping millions of people employed, like I said before no one is forcing you to buy anything. Do you by every product you see advertised on TV and in every magazine? You must be minted if you do :roll:

ecneps said:
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I forgot to mention the useless herbs and pills and potions they flog us cinnamon is just cinnamon for use in the food chain and making cakes etc

and all the NHS doctors and diabetic nurses they would all be out of a job?
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Who is this 'they' you speak of? It all sounds rather paranoid to me. And I dont see how all the NHS staff would be out of jobs due to anything you have mentioned.

I would advise you to sit down and take a few deep breaths and try to chill out a bit or will you only find your BP rising and then you might need more meds
 
:lol: :lol: Yes borofergie there is that, but we dont have a Tesco store up here
 
The Anthony Worral-Thompson Diet relies on strict portion control. You only eat what you can fit under your jacket.

He also recommends plenty of high-intensity exercise, usually with a police escort - and all finished off with a long stretch and a nice big bowl of low GI porridge. :mrgreen:
 

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Brilliant! Well done!
 
As Sid says if you don't like the products don't buy them......it couldn't get any more simple than that!
 
I think the point that is being made is that it is not in the interst of corporate pharmaceutical companies to irradicate Dibetes as the financial rewards for selling meds to the NHS must be enormous - my daughter in law is a GP and she could not believe the pressure GPs are under to try new drugs - often no better than the ones that already exist.

Just call me cynical, but I agree!
 

So what realistically would you do to solve all of this?
 
I'm not sure where you are going with this... It's like a conspiracy theory but without the conspiracy element. And the theory.
 
There is no promise of a cure is there?

I read through your previous posts and can see up to a certain point why you feel anger towards these companies.

But-this has been the case with other meds too, not just related to Diabetes. In regard to what's been written here, I would agree that nobody is forcing anybody to buy these books/foods/diets. Diabetics have minds of their own and should make their own choices.

This could apply to so many other scenarios, other illnesses, other conditions. I had panic attacks for many years and got enough knowledge under my belt to sort myself out. There are hundreds of books out there, promising "the cure" many written by supposed ex-sufferers who are quite happy to make a fortune out of others misery.

Diabetes meds are not useless, they work for many. Although there are many, many cases of HCP's needing a swift boot up the rear, there are also those that do a good job. Endocrine docs and nurses don't just deal with diabetes, they deal with other conditions of the Endocrine system.

GP's and docs have always been under enormous pressure to try new medications on their patients, nothing has changed? Why the inference that this is somehow a new thing, hence they all want to keep us as diabetics? I don't buy it, even if they are making a lot out of it.

Nothing new at all.
 
I do feel some sympathy for those with diabetes who are not savvy enough to scan the web, join this forum, talk to others with db etc as they are not then in the best position to decide what to buy and what to avoid. I'm a member of my local NHS diabetes patient group and the level of niaivety of a few of the group surprises me. One of the problems I find with HCPs is that they prescribe tablets, they have some effect as they do actually work, but then assume because the Hba1c has gone down that it was all due to the meds. A lot of us on this forum and elsewhere do adjust our diets on diagnosis hence this also has an effect on Hba1c and some would say has the most effect. I had an argument around this with my db GP who just wouldn't accept that my low carb/low portion diet was helping to keep my Hba1c below 7.0; I was told to return to a normal healthy diet. I left knowing what was working for me but my GP was left still convinced that the meds were the key to it all. So, it's not so much a conspiracy but a serious case of 'I'm the expert and don't need to listen to your feedback as a mere patient'
 
ecneps and mandydowns

The flaw in your argument is really simple.

Why do you assume that just because there isn't a cure for diabetes "they" whoever they are don't want you to have one?

Someone has to invent a cure in the same way as someone had to invent TV's or the computer you used to type your message or even the wheel. You can't just invent things by saying "lets invent a cure for diabetes today". If your leg got chopped off in an accident tomorrow would you be blaming the drug companies because they hadn't invented a way of regrowing legs yet?

The reason that there isn't a cure for diabetes is because no one so far has been clever enough to come up with the right answer. It really is that simple. If it were that simple to invent new things and cures then anyone of us could just say "Well today I will invent a cure for cancer or solve global warming or invent whatever". It just doesn't work like that.
 
ladybird64 said:
Diabetes meds are not useless, they work for many.
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Yes of course they do and you know what? You dont hear many T1 diabetics slating the pharmaceutical companies for developing injectable insulin even though it costs the NHS thousands, millions or gazzillions or whatever why do so many people slate the pharmaceutical industry without their research and development millions of people would not be alive today.

Sorry I just dont see an argument here, just the usual anti capitalist rant :wave:
 

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
There seems a willingness to try and rubbish the opinions of doctors/dieticians/guru's just because they write a book and try to sell it. But nobody writes a book without the intention of trying to sell it.

I think it's fanciful to suggest that a pharmaceutical company, be it Bayer or Roche, would deliberately withhold a cure for Diabetes because they make a good profit out of selling tablets and strips. The profit from such a drug for a single company would be huge.

I'm a middle aged type 2 - perhaps if I was a type 1 teenager I might be more interested in developments of a 'magic bullet' cure for my condition, but at my age I'm unlikely to benefit from any miracle cure that's yet to be discovered.

I'm interested by the work and opinions of doctors and dieticians. If they work hard and fund it by selling their findings as books or radio appearances then I quite understand - we all have to pay the rent after all. I will listen and read and then take a view. If Roche charge too much for their test strips then less people will buy their meters - as long as there's not a cartel operating to fix prices, then the market should regulate things.
 
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