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No obvious pattern.

steveelles

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Type 2 (variant unknown) + 2000mg Metformin and Sitaglyptin.
I don't understand my fastings at all.
Brown basmati rice = 10.6 fasting
Or
Cadbury's Mini Rolls and Haribo Star Mix binge = 7.2 fasting and no night sweat.
Confused.
 
Perhaps if you weighed the portions to see if they are different it might explain it. How many Cadbury's binge (binge?) rolls equals one plate of rice? I don't think either result is good.
 
Hi! and Welcome to the forum. Have you had @daisy1 post the diet advice we give newcomers yet?

I think you understand that carbohydrates or carbs spike your blood sugar. Portion size or the amount of each food you eat is also important as Squire Fulwood says above.

The time you test after you eat is also important. We all vary a little but most people experience the biggest spike at about 45 min to 1 hour after they eat carbs. A blood sugar reading taken at least two hours after you eat should be going down from the one hour spike and is more indicative of how your body is currently handling the food you ate. This two hour reading is called the postprandial blood glucose or PPD. It is really the most useful reading for people with Type 2.

As you will see in daisy1's post the range we are aiming for with Type 2 is 4 to 7.5 fasting and no more than 8.5 PPD. It takes all of us a little while to get there.

If you are fasting or have eaten something else in the last few hours also effects how foods with carbs raise your blood glucose. The good thing is as you establish a regular pattern of eating you will be able to see how small changes effect your own personal blood sugar readings.

Metformin changes the way carbs effect your blood sugar. It dampens and extends the blood sugar spike for most people.

The amount of fat and protein you eat with the carbohydrates also has some effect on how fast you digest the carbs. Fat and/or protein eaten with carbs will slow down their digestion for most people.

And most important of all-keep trying-almost no one gets it all in the first try-it is a process to bring your blood sugar down to acceptable levels and keep it there-you will get there!;)
 
@steveelles

Hello Steve and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi guys. Thanks for the welcome and the kind advice. I've actually been a forum member for a couple of years now but it's always nice to say hi twice Daisy. I'm not sure I am any the wiser from these comments. What I need to understand is why I am not following any sort of identifiable pattern. It turns out that I have had a "glucose metabolising disorder" since about the age of 5. Considering I spent 30 years complaining about my health to various doctors I don't mind admitting that I am feeling cynical. The current description I have is the rather whooly bit in inverted commas above with the added brush off of being a Type 2 Variant - is this seriously the lack of knowledge on the subject? I am aware that every diabetic has a different experience but surely there is a reasoned and fact based explanation for why I can do in 12 mini rolls and a big bag of Starmix resulting in a lower fasting glucose than a fist sized portion of brown basmati rice. It's a perfectly reasonable question to ask a doctor but I feel I am slowly learning that the diabetic community appears to know a lot more than the medical community who I have found to be passive and inneffectual. My opinion of GP's is currently in the toilet as I see them as responsible for me now looking at a shorter lifespan. 40 years they had to spot this across no less than at least 15 GP's. That really is lousy and I find myself wondering about the quality of their advice today and for the remainder of my life. I would happily accept "we don't know enough about diabetes yet" but I never get that answer, just a one size fits all approach and the hope that I'll shut up about it.
 
I have a similar response in that I seem to process glucose better than I do starch. The ability to process starch is dependent on the number of copies you have of the AMY1 gene and that is related quite strongly to the amount of starch your ancestors ate. The more they relied on starch as a food the more they adapted by increasing the AMY1 gene copies. I think you may be able to get this tested via a saliva or blood sample, but not 100% sure about that aspect. The test is available for scientific purposes, but whether it is in general medical use, I don't know. If you do an internet search, you'll find quite a few discussions about it online.

I know from BG testing that my BG raises much more when I eat starchy foods like potato and rice than if I eat sugary things.
 
Like @Indy51 and yourself, my body reacts very differently to different foods.

With me, grains are my downfall, while I tolerate starchy root veg better (but still badly). Sugar definitely raises bg, but not nearly as badly.

I seem to be gluten intolerant (no where near as bad as coeliac), so my current working theory is that food intolerances play a role.
 
The thing is, a GP has to know a little bit about everything, but a Diabetic needs to know a great deal about diabetes.
So it's not surprising that we as individuals know a lot more about our condition than our doctors. Doctors don't like to admit that they don't know everything, we might lose confidence in them.
The drugs must work very well for you if you can eat mini rolls like that. Lucky person.
 
What is the connection between those foods and the fasting BG values? Are you saying you ate those the day before and then you had those BG levels the next morning? Is this a consistent pattern or just one time observations? What happens to your fasting BG level if you don't eat any carbs?
 
Type 2 (variant unknown) + 2000mg Metformin and Sitaglyptin.
I don't understand my fastings at all.
Brown basmati rice = 10.6 fasting
Or
Cadbury's Mini Rolls and Haribo Star Mix binge = 7.2 fasting and no night sweat.
Confused.

Food that rockets my levels:
ANY breakfast serial, including no salt and no sugar muesli
Bread
White Rice
Pasta
Pizza dough (although sour dough is best)
Chinese-based meals
Indian-based Meals.
Fresh Fruit juice
Any desserts - I rarely eat any.

Good stuff:
Bacon
Eggs
Tomatoes
Omlettes
Any red or white meat
Green leaf-based salads
Kebab meat.

I hope this might be of some help.
 
Thanks Jung. That looks pretty similar to my experience. I've cut most of them out already and (combined with the Sitaglyptin) the weight is falling off me rapidly. Unfortunately that triggered a gallstone a couple of days, which always happens when I lose weight. Anyway, it's mostly looking positive. I remember talking to someone who had gestational diabetes and they said that, rather perversely, a Big Mac always gave her one of her best BGs.
 
Thanks for everyone's advice. Looks like I'm getting somewhere. I'm now down to 15.5 stone for the first time in 10 years (I'm 6 foot 4). My GP is talking about taking me off sitaglyptin soon. The current theory being investigated is that I may have IBS with Type 2 which might go some way to explaining the difficult spotting BG patterns. Been doing a lot of intermittent fasting too which makes me feel tons better.
 
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