Robbity
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WOW - amazing - I wonder how they worked that one out (especially since it was pretty well known donkey's years ago..).??
Robbity
WOW - amazing - I wonder how they worked that one out (especially since it was pretty well known donkey's years ago..).??They may be on to something:
"We have also identified that eating carbohydrate increases blood glucose levels, which then increases the levels of a hormone called insulin in the blood."
Perhaps a Nobel prize in medicine is in their future.
It's a step in the right direction.
Albeit a smaller step than I would like.
I wonder how long it will take to filter through to HCPs on the coal face?
Our practice nurses in our health centre do all the diabetes stuff, and also present our local X-Pert courses. I saw my nurse the other day for my review and told her (again) about my diet. She told me Trudi Deakin had recently been in the area training her and other nurses in readiness for the next local XPert course. She told me about Trudi's conversion to eating more fat and how they were going to promote this in future. So that is one very good thing at least.
Definitely!
I know that I am fairly extreme on the LCHF scale - but I wouldn't be, if my body felt this good with any of the other eating patterns I have tried.
The worry I have is that fat and carbs are a seesaw. The extremes seem to work quite well for weight loss, and the lower carb certainly works for BG control! But what happens to people who have, for decades, been told to stuff carbs and avoid fat, when they are told they can eat fat? They gorge. But do they also take on board that the carbs must be cut enough to balance?
And, depending on metabolism, the balance can be very hard to achieve.
I certainly find it MUCH easier to be VLC than to phaff around with poxy little half slices of bread, and two tsps of rice...
I know, I'm nitpicking.
This IS a step forward, and I'm pleased about it.
I'm just wondering if the 'if you increase fats, then you MUST proportionally decrease carbs' will sink in.
It is a tricky message to get right.
I'm going to mention this ground breaking discovery to by diabetes nurse this week. I don't think she knows about this. It could result in drastic changes to her method of advising type 2 diabetics.WOW - amazing - I wonder how they worked that one out (especially since it was pretty well known donkey's years ago..).??
Robbity
If my brain needed 130g carbs a day it must be seriously malfunctioning
your brain requires 120/130 grams of glucose a day not carbs but most people believe it is better to get that glucose mainly from carbs as the human body has involved to look to carbs first as a source of glucose.
Thanks Sid - I should have said 130g glucose.I think you have misinterpreted the post that talked about 130grams Robert, your brain requires 120/130 grams of glucose a day not carbs but most people believe it is better to get that glucose mainly from carbs as the human body has involved to look to carbs first as a source of glucose.
I was given roughly the advice outlined in this book (according to those who have posted its content) from my DSN and dietitian at diagnoses 6 years ago so its hardly new or ground breaking its just that still some people in the NHS are not as up to date with current thinking as perhaps they should be.
When I was using insulin and met an NHS dietitian I was eating roughly 60g carbs a day and after reading my food diary that I had to fill out for her she told that my diet was fine although she suggested I ate a little more oily fish but as I dont actually like oily fish that never happened, but other than that she was happy with my nutritional intake.
Since loosing weight (56lb) I lost a lot of my insulin resistance and now eat considerably more carbs than then, a lot less than 260 g a day I would guess but also a lot more than the 60g or so I was eating on my diet.
As the book is not released until the 19th of this month, nobody knows what she is actually saying or do they?
As the book is not released until the 19th of this month, nobody knows what she is actually saying or do they?
“Is a low fat diet good for you?” Most of us will undoubtedly say yes, but is this really the case? It is well documented that the issue of obesity is growing across the world, with it comes the increased risk of:
There is growing evidence which shows that the popular low fat/high carbohydrate diet is actually a myth and that it may be fuelling the obesity and Type 2 diabetes epidemics. Our researcher have identified that a low carb, high fat lifestyle can beat killer conditions like diabetes, heart disease, epilepsy, cancer and dementia and even slow down the ageing process.
- Heart disease, strokes and fatty liver
- Diabetes (Type 2) — which has rapidly become a global epidemic
- Some cancers (endometrial, breast, and colon)
UK-renowned specialist, Dr Trudi Deakin (our Chief Executive ) says that this six-step plan will give fresh hope to people who are overweight or are suffering from a long term health condition. Alow carb/high fat lifestyle can help people to lose weight and curb obesity, diabetes, heart disease and many other health conditions.
We have also identified that eating carbohydrate increases blood glucose levels, which then increases the levels of a hormone called insulin in the blood. This hormone promotes weight gain, prevents weight loss and contributes to other health problems. Eating excess carbs also increases the bad levels of cholesterol particles in the blood. Conditions such as obesity, Type 2 diabetes and heart disease can be prevented if the plan is adopted. Even those who already have the conditions may find that their condition is reversed with the right lifestyle.
Thanks Sid - I should have said 130g glucose.
Nevertheless, I don't consume 130g of Total Available Glucose per day. I have followed the same diet for 16 months and use myfitnesspal to check my daily macro nutrients.
To include glucose from maximum gluconeogenesis I get 30g from carbs, 35g from protein and 17g from fat. So maximum daily available glucose 82g.
I have not lost weight over the period so it's difficult to see where I could be making the extra glucose from to fit the 130g hypothesis.
Apparently the brain runs very well on ketones when you are keto-adapted. I was reading an article recently that suggested that it only needs 40g glucose when it's also burning ketones. I would suggest that not having enough glucose for the brain means that you would be in a state of hypoglycaemia.
Ketones are a good alternative fuel to glucose. They don't convert to glucose.Not sure how you worked that out Robert as Its generally accepted the brain requires around 120g glucose to run effectively whether that glucose is converted from carbs or from dietary fat or ketones converted from body fat and if that were the case I would have thought that you would be losing weight.
And of course its not just the brain that needs glucose we also need it to fuel our daily activities dont we. Or have I got that wrong?
See here. This is current website promoting LCHF.As the book is not released until the 19th of this month, nobody knows what she is actually saying or do they?
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