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Type 2 nutritional values on food

nikijane

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Type of diabetes
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very new to this forum thing so hope i do it right - I am type 2 and after a number of years ignoring it i need to seriously address my eating. I have a question about what to eat.. you know the nutritional values on foods - which also give you the recommended intake for men/women/children.. obviously this is for people without diabetes. How do I know the recommended intake for me. I would like to know what i need to look for on labels and how much carbohydrate and sugar I am meant to consume each day.

can you help???
NIki
 
Hi and welcome. If you are going to follow the LCHF diet that many of us follow take a look at http://www.dietdoctor.com/ it is a good place to start to understand the level of carbs you should be aiming for. I try to keep it under 50g carbs per day.

A good app on your phone is My Fitness Pal - this will allow you to track what you are eating.

I'll tag @daisy1 who can provide you with a great starting point on information. It really helped me. You'll feel there is a lot to learn (I sure did) but the forum here is very friendly.
 
thank you - just had a little look around the link and look forward to hearing from daisy1. thank you again
 
very new to this forum thing so hope i do it right - I am type 2 and after a number of years ignoring it i need to seriously address my eating. I have a question about what to eat.. you know the nutritional values on foods - which also give you the recommended intake for men/women/children.. obviously this is for people without diabetes. How do I know the recommended intake for me. I would like to know what i need to look for on labels and how much carbohydrate and sugar I am meant to consume each day.

can you help???
NIki

I think the easy answer to that is that we're all different. Some people will tolerate higher levels of carbs than others, so there can be no set amount for people with diabetes really. Added to that is the fact that people with diabetes can be very different - Type 1, Type 2, a child, overweight/underweight, pregnant, on insulin, etc.

Ideally, you'll be able to learn what suits you best and then you'll be your own expert :)

If you can tell us a little more about your current diet, any meds you're on, and your blood sugar test results, then that would be useful :)
 
@nikijane

Hello and welcome to the forum :) To help you with your diet choices and other advice you may need, here is the information we give to new members which I hope you will find helpful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to answer.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
I think the easy answer to that is that we're all different. Some people will tolerate higher levels of carbs than others, so there can be no set amount for people with diabetes really. Added to that is the fact that people with diabetes can be very different - Type 1, Type 2, a child, overweight/underweight, pregnant, on insulin, etc.

Ideally, you'll be able to learn what suits you best and then you'll be your own expert :)

If you can tell us a little more about your current diet, any meds you're on, and your blood sugar test results, then that would be useful :)
I think the easy answer to that is that we're all different. Some people will tolerate higher levels of carbs than others, so there can be no set amount for people with diabetes really. Added to that is the fact that people with diabetes can be very different - Type 1, Type 2, a child, overweight/underweight, pregnant, on insulin, etc.

Ideally, you'll be able to learn what suits you best and then you'll be your own expert :)

If you can tell us a little more about your current diet, any meds you're on, and your blood sugar test results, then that would be useful :)
hi - thank you for replying - my current diet is, honestly, rubbish. my own fault entirely. Im on 1000mg of metformin, 160 of gliclazide and 1.8 of liraglutide. my last annual result was around 9.6 but since then i have escalated in my appalling eating habits and my sugars are now around 15 to 18 (self tested) I dont sleep because I am deydrated as sugars are so high so feel that i need to get back on track before my health deteriarates. Im around 16 stone so need to lose weight as well. I only like very plain boring food and dont really know what, how much to eat??
 
@nikijane

Hello and welcome to the forum :) To help you with your diet choices and other advice you may need, here is the information we give to new members which I hope you will find helpful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to answer.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
that's lovely thank you.. I've had a look around the links and printed some of the recipes to try. pay day thurs so going to go and shop for proper foods!
 
hi - thank you for replying - my current diet is, honestly, rubbish. my own fault entirely. Im on 1000mg of metformin, 160 of gliclazide and 1.8 of liraglutide. my last annual result was around 9.6 but since then i have escalated in my appalling eating habits and my sugars are now around 15 to 18 (self tested) I dont sleep because I am deydrated as sugars are so high so feel that i need to get back on track before my health deteriarates. Im around 16 stone so need to lose weight as well. I only like very plain boring food and dont really know what, how much to eat??

You'll feel an awful lot better once you've got your sugars down a bit, so I hope that will be some encouragement. I know that horrible feeling of high sugars so I sympathise - it's not nice at all.

If you self-test, then you could experiment with different meals, testing your blood sugar before and two hours after, and see how the meals suit you - that is, do they put your blood sugar up too much. That way you'll learn what you personally can 'tolerate'.
 
You self test, but when do you test? Do you test before you eat and 2 hours later? If you do this, and at the same time keep a food diary, you will see what all the foods you eat do to your levels. Patterns will emerge. The aim is to keep the spikes down as far as you can, and you do this by examining the carbs you have just eaten. If the spike is above 2mmol/l (preferably under 1.5mmol/l) you ate too many carbs and need to repeat that meal with smaller portions of carbs and see what happens then. If there is still an unacceptable spike, reduce those carby foodstuffs or avoid them completely.

The general rule is that all carbs convert to glucose once inside the system, but some are much worse than others. The major ones to reduce (avoid) are bread, cereals, rice, pasta, potatoes, and anything made with flour.

On food labels you need to look for the total carb amount per 100g. Also look at the list of ingredients - watch out for added starches and flour as well as sugars and syrups. Even tinned soups can be dangerous because they are thickened with flour or potatoes.

There is no set rule for how many carbs you should or shouldn't eat because we all have different tolerance levels. By testing your meals ou will eventually find your own personal tolerance level. It may be 100g carbs, it may be 20g carbs (daily). My own tolerance level is no more than 30g a day, and absolutely none for breakfast as that is when my insulin resistance is at its worst.
 
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