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Does anyone else get fed up and angry at the constant link to obesity and type 2 diabetes by the media and some medical professions?
Well I am, I am not and never have been obese or even overweight, I am a trim size 12/14 and for most of my adult life have never changed. What I do have is Type 2 diabetes, so have my four other siblings, as did my mother. So I beleive type 2 can be inherited. We all have developed type 2 in our late forties early fifties. Myself and an elder sister are on Insulin yet the other three are diet and Metformin controlled. Not all of us are obese :D (but I do admit one of my sisters is carrying a little excess weight) :D But dont tell her I said so...lol.
So where does this myth come from? why do they think diabetes is caused by obesity ?
I know a few people who are overweight yet they do not have Diabetes. I know people who are slim and still have type 2.
So why blame it all on obesity?
 
I am technically obese, BMI of 30, but wear size 18 bottoms, with a disproportionally large bust making a larger size necessary above the waist. Most people wouldn't call me obese, but I am too heavy. Gradually getting less so
I too think my T2 is inherited. I am in a direct line, Mother, grand mother and probably great grandmother too. In my case, Ithink my weight is CAUSED by my genetic propensity to insulin resistance. I am neither inactive nor a junkfood junkie.

I find it annoying too that it's assumed that if you are overweight, it's caused by too many take-aways. and sugary fizzy drinks etc.
I have only rarely in my life had any of those things.
I used to follow a so-called "Healthy Balanced diet", based on carbs.
You can understand why I'm anti carb now.
 
I was in hospital last year for an op on a frozen shoulder, the nurse who took my details argued with me that I was type 1and no way could I be type 2 as I injected Insulin 4 times a day. She put type 1 on my notes and tut tutted saying I was mistaken. :roll:

I too have a friend who is about a couple of stone overweight, she is on insulin and has been for about 18 months. She has been to the usual slimming clubs ie: WW, S.World and cannot lose much weight. She can lose 2lbs one week and gain it again the next so she is positive it is the insulin that is stopping her from losing the weight. She swears she has stuck to the diet to the letter and cannot understand why she is not losing weight.
 
tngmrg said:
I was in hospital last year for an op on a frozen shoulder, the nurse who took my details argued with me that I was type 1and no way could I be type 2 as I injected Insulin 4 times a day. She put type 1 on my notes and tut tutted saying I was mistaken. :roll:

I too have a friend who is about a couple of stone overweight, she is on insulin and has been for about 18 months. She has been to the usual slimming clubs ie: WW, S.World and cannot lose much weight. She can lose 2lbs one week and gain it again the next so she is positive it is the insulin that is stopping her from losing the weight. She swears she has stuck to the diet to the letter and cannot understand why she is not losing weight.[/quote]

Hi tnmrg.
Yet again, someone who sticks to a 'Healthy Diet ?'
I can only suggest you look around this site and read all you can about Diet. Do a search top right and you will be overwhelmed with all sorts of advice, some bizzare, some more helpful.
YOU or more correctly your friend then needs to evaluate that advice and sort out what is best. Read the Success Stories posts, see what people have achieved by avoiding the Healthy Diet advice. Make your or her mind up. Your, or her choice.
In my experience the only thing I ever lost with most of the slimming clubs was MONEY ! I do know that it works for some, bit like the Healthy Diet.

Hope that helps.
Ken.
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According to statistics,20% of type 2's are not overweight at diagnosis.
Have a read of this and you will see that even the very people who should be helping obese people lose weight have a sterotypical image of why they are obese. Thin or fat, if you have diabetes type 2 it is your fault. Who says so? People who don't research the causes of type 2 diabetes. They conveniently ignore genetics, stress, illnesses etc.

Http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/140818.php

Catherine.
 
Weight Watchers diet didn't work for me either, All I lost were £s.
I lost a fair bit on low carb over a time period of about a year. Now I'm creaping down a few ounces per week with irritating "bounces", but the graph is overall still dropping. It's frustratingly slow, when I don't cheat often, as my BGs will attest. And the fact that I still have a bit of my(black chocolate)Easter egg.
 
IMO the obesity is a RESULT of the diabetes and not t'other way round.

Even that doesn't always work right though. The diabetics in my family are mostly skinny, even an athlete shows symptoms of insulin resistance, and one my my aunts who was overweight had far fewer symptoms of "metabolic syndrome" than her slimmer fitter more active sister.

This is not uncommon. There's a complex relationship between insulin and IR, leptin and leptin resistance and a whole heap of other things.

The other side of the coin of course is that 80% of obese people are nondiabetic. They forget about that one . . .
 
Obesity and Type 2 go together. Well we are confused here .. The conclusion that Type 2 and obesity goes together is a generalized conclusion based on observations over the Years. What you have is an exception. Theories are based on generalized observation and not on exceptions.
 
tngmrg said:
Does anyone else get fed up and angry at the constant link to obesity and type 2 diabetes by the media and some medical professions?...........So why blame it all on obesity?
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Perhaps because 80% of Type 2s were obese at diagnosis - me included at BMI of 38.2!!!!

Just about to go into the what sounds very acceptable "overweight" category (30.2 BMI this morning) on my way to "normal" - and then "ideal". :wink:

I'm not bothered what the media or anybody else thinks. Now that I have got my blood glucose level sorted out with last HbA1c of 5.5%, I've only one thing on my mind and that is very positively concentrating on getting my weight down to "ideal".

Might even get off all the medications for diabetes, blood pressure and cholesterol - now my numbers are all off the scale at the bottom end.

Life begins at sixty-five!

Just reading a great book "Healthy at 100". :D
 
roddick said:
Obesity and Type 2 go together. Well we are confused here .. The conclusion that Type 2 and obesity goes together is a generalized conclusion based on observations over the Years. What you have is an exception. Theories are based on generalized observation and not on exceptions.
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Ermmm . . . so the 80% of obese people who are not diabetic are all exceptions? I see . . .
 
In my opinion I think Media and medical professions alike are scare mongering the public, they say we are, as a nation, becoming obese and the warning is "You WILL get diabetes if you dont slim down" it is a scare tactic to try and at least get some people to think about dieting.
Even on this web site it states that obesity can lead to diabetes, note the words "CAN LEAD".
A lot of money is spent on diabetics in this country why, if they are so concerned, spend at least the same amount on getting these obese people to slim. I keep saying obese because I believe if you are one or two stone overweight you should not be classed as obese. I am talking about the larger people.
 
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