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Obesity Is Not Your Fault!

Well I'm glad that all obesity isn't my fault, just my own is all I stick my hand up for.

Ultimately everyone must take personal responsibility for the choices they make.


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Well I don't know whose fault it is but it isn't mine. Oh no, not me. Everybody else's fault, possibly anybody else's fault but not mine.
 
No not guilty.
I was forcefed the Eatwell plate contents for over 15 years.
 
It wasn't me! (Shaggy song?)

The blame lies squarely on the outdated diets I was recommended and the hyperinsulinaemia it caused!
Also, the ignorance of GPS and endocrinologist that couldn't diagnose a rare metabolic disorder even if it was staring them in front of their eyes!
Shocking!

It had nothing to do with my appetite or my nickname!
 
Yes, it was my fault. Too much food, a bingeing habit were to blame. But then I had the same issues in childhood, wasn't given sweets, crisps and fried foods so who's fault was it then?

If one eats the usual culprits such as the above, to excess, it will cause obesity. That's not rocket science. But there are many other reasons, genetic issues, medication, so it's a complex issue without a straightforward answer - no matter how many people like to point the finger of guilt.
 
There was s study just out from Harvard Uni, about how Triclosan (in toothpaste) can cause people to be overweight. I know you're probably shocked, but its to do with the flora in our mouths and guts. Click Here.
They also have a new video on weight loss (main page) not your normal stuff.
 
Definately my fault and no-one else. I'm quite well educated, and informed but chose to completely ignore what I know is common sense - even the 'memsahib' used to 'nag' me about diet, booze etc - but what the hell did she know!!!!! I thought I was invincible and 'it won't happen to me'.

The worst possible thing in all of this ..... The bloody wife was right! - as I am now often reminded!
 
Ive stumbled my way through life carrying diabetes along.
On my back, a very heavy load and you ask am I at fault?
What do you think?
 
Obesity.. How come you can have identical twins brought up identically with food and lifestyles but one is larger (or smaller) than the other?
How come some people don't like certain foods. I myself have never had hunger feelings.. I don't know why. I nowadays put it down to my stomach n colon problems but in all honesty when I think about it I have never felt hungry.

I don't think obesity is due to one thing but many factors but what any of the specific factors are I haven't got a clue.
 
Aye, that's exactly what we need to fight the obesity problem, tell people its not their fault that they eat too much and don't exercise enough.
 
I'm doubtful about the study's methods: apparently "Academics in Australia tested a group of people who ate a diet high in sugar and fat and low in fruit, vegetables and fibre and another group who ate more healthily."

For me, sugar certainly makes me put on weight, but fat doesn't. On the other hand, fruit does but vegetables don't. So if I were to follow this test diet, I would put on weight. But if I were to reverse it (presumably what they mean by eating "more healthily") and eat a diet high in fruit and vegetables and low in fat and sugar I'd also put on weight. It seems to me they can't draw any meaningful conclusions unless they separate out the components of the diet: is it fat or sugar? Lack of vegetables or lack of fruit?

Of course, they may have done all this, but since the article doesn't say, and either there's no link or I'm too unobservant to find it, I can't be sure.

Kate
 
Garr said:
Aye, that's exactly what we need to fight the obesity problem, tell people its not their fault that they eat too much and don't exercise enough.
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What about the people who do and are still obese?

The common man on the street won't get up one morning and start changing their routine even if they'll get a six pack. Not interesting enough. Especially if they arent ill or can feel illness due to their obesity.
I dont know many foresighted challenging people who changes their lifestyle just in case.
 
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From all my experience and what I went through to getting diagnosis and the tests and studying, reading, exploring medical papers and so on.

I come to the conclusion that not many 'specialists', 'endocrinologists', have the knowledge to grasp how our personal endocrine system works, how our metabolism actually works.
We have so many millions of gut bacteria and hormones, cells, et all and so on and so forth. That to get a general diagnosis is probably the best even the specialists could get.
It's the same as our fingerprints, everyone is different.
So how surprising could it be, that we are unique in the microbiota actions of our bodies? Even clones have different cell death rates!

The scientists with the thick glasses and tefal foreheads, keep on discovering new ways how we get metabolic conditions, even the actual environment can be blamed!

I don't blame anyone for my condition.
What bothers me, is why am I so weird?
What changed my endocrine system to keep producing insulin when I don't need it?

Answers to my GP, dsn and my endocrinologist!
And, also, my useless former GPs, dsns and a certain endocrinologist who was baffled why my health was going slowly but surely down the pan! And dismissed me!
 
I still think it is a lot to do with genes and not so much what we eat. My mothers side tended to be over weight my fathers side were not so luckily I took after my paternal side and have always been size 10/12 I always loved food and never had a small appetite
 
Garr said:
Aye, that's exactly what we need to fight the obesity problem, tell people its not their fault that they eat too much and don't exercise enough.
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And the others who don't fit into that category? Is it ok for them to be made to feel that it's their fault when it's out of their control?
It isn't and it's wrong.
 
ladybird64 said:
And the others who don't fit into that category? Is it ok for them to be made to feel that it's their fault when it's out of their control?
It isn't and it's wrong.
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It's unfortunate at least.
But, and a big but.
You will never stop them getting diabetes, or obesity, or both, as you say, it is entirely out of their control. Nothing will change it.
But, the majority of type 2 diabetics, by a big majority are obese. And can be helped by curbing overeating.
So you can't punish those who are obese, and diabetic, pre-diabetic, or even just starting on the road there, and also the other risks that come with obesity, by not mentioning it, and not encouraging that group to eat less.
That'll be causing physical harm to the majority, which is a greater wrong.
 
KevinPotts said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/obesity-brain-disease-diet-sugar-fat-makes-worse-a7132386.html?amp#

Thoughts?


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I think that there are some (very few people) who really have medical problems and therefore reasons for their weight gain/loss.
The rest of us, like me, could have made choices to live with the limits/restrictions that genes etc have placed on us. At the end of the day its no use blaming doctors, science, research etc for giving us 'wrong' information or instruction as it only embitters and encourages the 'victim mentality'. Some of us were born short, others tall, some plain and others like me - just darned good looking.
Life is like a poker game - you can only play the cards that you are dealt and hope that you get some breaks along the way. All my friends who complain about not being able to lose weight suffer from the same common symptom - energy in does not get used up, but stored. It was the threat of insulin that woke me up.
No, life is not fair! My wife who lost 20kgs (is160cms tall and 54 kg) can only eat a third what I can. Her attitude is - "stiff cheddar, that's how it is". I find that attitude inspiring.
 
There are so many different groups of T2 people.

- the ones who had a truly awful diet, ignored their weight and took no exercise, got T2 as a wakeup call, went on a diet, lost weight easily, reverse
- the ones who had a truly awful diet, ignored their weight and took no exercise, got T2 as a wakeup call, went on a diet, struggle to lose, and have to battle daily
- the ones who exercised hugely, still developed T2, often because they ate rubbish, who improve by just not eating rubbish
- the ones who have battled with weight, diets and hormones for years, if not decades and still end up fat with T2
- the ones who have multiple health issues where diet and exercise are extremely challenging
- the ones who are emotionally, physically or chemically unable to diet/lose weight
- the slim ones who ate well and exercised
- the slim ones who ate badly and didn't exercise and didn't get fat

For any study to make such pronouncements as 'obesity is not our fault' is simultaneously right and wrong.
What makes me angry is when people on this forum say something like 'if I can do it, anyone can'. Because it isn't true, and shows a terrible misunderstanding of the complexities involved for individuals.
 
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