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I was given this in 2004

It does not differ at all from the advice I was previously given many years earlier

It is almost certainly still being handed out

DIETARY ADVICE
for DIABETICS
SP4775
July 1990
Diabetes is a condition where your blood sugar is too high. To reduce
this, it is necessary to change your diet.
DIET IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR TREATMENT There are two basic
principles:
1) cut out sweet and sugary foods from your diet.
2) increase the amount of fibre in your diet by eating wholegrain
products, fruit and vegetables.
How to alter your diet
Foods to avoid
These sugary foods are digested very quickly, making the blood sugar
go too high. It is essential that these are avoided.
Sweets, chocolates, sweetened drinks, sugar (white or brown), jam,
marmalade, honey, sweet biscuits, cakes, sugar coated breakfast
cereals, condensed milk, tinned fruit in syrup, packet dessert mixes,
ordinary puddings eg tinned rice pudding.
Foods to include in normal amounts
Bread Wholemeal is better than white bread as it contains more
fibre, but white bread can be eaten occasionally. Wholemeal crackers
and crispbreads can be eaten instead of bread.
Breakfast Cereals Have high fibre breakfast cereals eg branflakes,
weetabix, shredded wheat, porridge rather than other breakfast
cereals.
Rice and Pasta Brown and wholemeal varieties are preferable.
Potatoes Have in your usual amounts, preferably not chips or
fried.
Fruit Any fruit (fresh or tinned in natural juice) can be eaten,
including apples, bananas, pears, grapes, peaches, strawberries etc.
Up to three portions of fruit per day.
Vegetables Meat
Fish
Cheese
Eggs
Butter and Margarine
Milk
Desserts
Biscuits
Beverages
Sweeteners
Seasonings
Diabetic Foods
Plenty of vegetables of any type.
Choose lean varieties, grilled rather than fried. Have poultry more
often.
Any type, grilled, poached or baked rather than fried.
Any variety. Low fat cheeses such as low fat cheddar, edam, cottage
cheese are better.
Two to three per week.
Polyunsaturated margarine (eg Flora) or a low fat spread (eg Gold) are
better than butter. Spread thinly.
Up to one pint per day, for use in drinks, custard and puddings.
Suitable desserts include diet yoghurts, natural yoghurt, sugar free
instant whip, sugar free jelly, fruit tinned in natural juice, custard
or milk pudding made with sweetener.
Digestives, hob nobs, rich tea, morning coffee or marie biscuits. No
more than four per day.
Tea, coffee, bovril, marmite, oxo, low calorie squash, low calorie
fizzy drinks. Low calorie chocolate and malted milk drinks are
available. Alcoholic drinks limit to one pint of beer, cider or lager
or two measures of spirits, dry sherry, dry wine per day. Diabetic
lagers are unsuitable.
Canderel, Flix. Hermesetas, Sweetex, Natrena are all suitable
sweeteners, available in tablet or powder form.
Herbs and spices, a little salt, pepper, mustard etc, small amounts of
pickle or salad cream can be used to flavour meals.
It is not necessary to buy diabetic biscuits, cakes, chocolate,
fructose or sorbitol. Diabetic jam, marmalade or pure fruit spread can
be used in small amounts.

SUGGESTED MEAL PLAN
It is better to eat three meals a day rather than one or two large
meals Each meal should contain some bread, potatoes, cereals, rice or
pasta You do not need to eat different food from the rest of the
family. It is much healthier for everyone to change their diet to one
that contains less sugary and fatty foods and more high fibre foods.
BREAKFAST Unsweetened fruit juice or fruit
Cereal and milk
Wholemeal bread and scraping of butter or margarine
Diabetic preserve or pure fruit spread Tea or coffee
MID MORNING Tea or coffee or low calorie drink Biscuit or fruit if
desired
MAIN MEAL Soup if desired
Lean meat, fish, eggs or cheese
Vegetables or salad
Potatoes or brown rice or wholemeal pasta
Fruit, milk pudding or suitable dessert
MID AFTERNOON As mid morning
SNACK MEAL Soup if desired
Lean meat, fish, eggs or cheese or baked beans
Vegetables or salad
Wholemeal bread or roll, wholemeal crackers or
crispbread
Fresh fruit or fruit tinned in natural juice or suitable
dessert
BEDTIME Tea or coffee
1 slice wholemeal bread or 1 digestive or fruit
If you require further dietary advice please ask your doctor to refer
you to a Dietitian.
 
so trink if it says at the end get our doc to refer you to a dietitian then it wasnt given to you by a dietitian!

Ian you showed me that before and i told you it was poor - maybe we are ahead of the game in WALES - ps yes shame about the rugby but we could still win the championship unlike England but they are low carbing by the way! No I am not joking they eat very low carb mon to fri and stuff the carbs over the weekend - it isnt working is it
 
they are lacking energy - one look at them you can see that - it seems a stupis stratergy to me and everyone in sporting circles but hey im welsh so do I care lol
 
do England have any ?

They are running out of energy - and the low carb regime is the reason. So carry on !!
 
Hi FW, how is the research going :?: :!: :?:
Time to look in on us again.

Fizzwizz said:
Hi again all

I'm just popping in to say I'm going to go quiet on this forum for a while, I've found I've really enjoyed the debate but I must get some other work done. When my professor asks me for evidence of how I've spent my week I'm sure my posts here won't suffice.

I really have enjoyed being part of this community and your input has been fantastic. When I have completed my study I'll gladly share with you the results and I'm sure we'll be up for more debate again ;-)


I will continue to pop in, the information contained here seems to be better informed than most fora I have visited, and I feel I can learn much from you all.

Thank you once again for all your input, very best wishes to all. ... Fizz
 
Hi

i am new on here and i have given a brief history in the greetings thread. I will say that if someone has posted something similar to what I have posted then I am sorry as I have only had a brief look at the thread.

I have got a gastric band fitted (3 years now) and I lost 3 stones to start of with. I have now put most of that on, but i am still trying to lose the weight. I have lost a stone since March 2010. The gastric band is only a tool to lose weight you still have got to have willpower and you still have to exercise. Its not the quick fix many people think it is.

Becka
 
Hi becka,

I would be interested to know what help you were given pre-op as to dietary and psychological advice.
Your story prior and post op would also be interesting.

Catherine.
 
Hi Catherine

A lot has changed with the system on the nhs since I had my band fitted. At the time I met the NICE guidelines. Which included trying two diffrenet types of weight loss tablets. I tried reductil in my late teens and in my early twentys i tried orlistat. I had my first appointment at the hospital and at the time I met the surgeon, bariatric nurse and dietitian. They explained to me about the gastric band procedure. They informed me that they didn't want me to put any more weight on and just try and eat healthy the best I could. I didn't recieve any psychological advice. I waited about 9 months and then I had my surgery.

There is a pre-op diet which has to be followed. Many different providers of the gastric band do different diets. I had a very low fat diet and if i remember right low carb too. at the most 1000 calories a day. which I only had to follow for a week but again that depends on who is doing the operation.
Post op the first stage is liquids, then mush and then onto eat a solid diet. So now i am trying to eat 3 healthy meals a day( around the size of a childs portion) and no snaking in between. the band it self is just a tool for weight loss. It doesn't control what you put in your mouth and it doesn't help with cravings. Willpower is definatley needed.

When I first had the band fitted I lost 3 stone my hab1c did come down quite alot. Pre-op I was getting results back as high as 12 and at the moment I am getting results between 7-8. So with further weight loss, I am pretty sure that my diabetes will be better controlled.

If you have any further questions then please ask and I will do my best to answer them.

Becka :)
 
I wish the NHS and DUK would get off that hobby horse of theirs that diabetes is caused by gluttony and laziness. They are so wrong, and most people I speak to about diabetes 2, unless they have it, strongly believe that all diabetics are lazy and greedy. Look at John Culshaw's portrayal of Eamonn Holmes. It makes me mad. I was well within normal weight when I suddenly started getting bigger, piling on the weight, I went from 9.1/2 stones to 14 stones in about 3 years. I was constantly going up and down to the doctors to find out why, diabetes was never mentioned, and I was never tested for it, it wasnt until I went to rheumatology for fibromyalgia that diabetes 2 was detected, with a blood sugar count of 16. I was so upset and asked the doctor why it wasnt detected he couldnt answer, I asked how long he reckoned I had been suffering =- I felt very ill, and it was always put down to fibromyalgia, he reckoned 18 months, I told him - more like 5 years. Now i can't get rid of the weight, and I can't get my bs normal. I have been diagnosed for 12 months. I have been following the NHS guidelines for diet, if it was correct I would have lost weight
 
Fizzwizz said:
Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:59 pm
sugarless sue said:
The biggest weight loss was reported by someone who had Gastric Bypass who reports that severe health problems resulted.

Wieght loss against health problems? I think I'll stick to trying to lose the weight non-surgically.

You can't view things that way Sue. My grandad is 90 and smokes 40 cigs a day. Does that mean smoking being bad for you is a myth?

The only way to see the facts is to look at what happens in many people.

More people suffer health problem from not having the surgery than having it!
That was Dr. Fizzwizz's LAST post. Previously he had written:
I'm 42 years old, 21.5 stones, hypertensive, with an enlarged heart. I've been trying to lose weight very seriously for over 10 years, including 7 years low carb. I, like many others, don't have another 10 years, If I don't do something that works now I will die. Studies show that I have already shortened my life by 15 years. Studies also show that surgery is the only treatment to have an impact on obesity.
Interestingly he last visited the forum on Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:14 am but did not contribute.

I shall PM this posting for his comments.

As for me - nearly three years into low carbing -
my HbA1c is 6.2, down from 6.7 three years ago;
my GFR (kidney function) has been around 64 for 4 years (I haven't seen earlier figures if they were measured) so low carbing has had no adverse effect;
my weight is steady at 12 st, BMI just above 25, down from 13 st BMI 27 three years ago;
I play tennis 2-3 times a week for 1 1/2 hours without needing bananas & energy drinks every time we change ends;
I can give the gym instructors a good game of table tennis;
I go upstairs without thinking, whereas that was a problem.

Is low carb sustainable? How could I consider making carb poison a significant part of my diet again?
 
I wonder what you are trying to prove Ian. :?:
Fizzwizz says that he tried low carbing for 7 years, even longer than you. It hasn't worked for him
Each to his own and if Fizzwizz feels that surgery is the only option for him, then who are we to say that it is right or wrong?
 
This thread is being locked.

It dates back to January 2009 and is now well out of date for any further comments. There is much in this thread that does not conform to present day rules and is contentious in many places. It is also apparent that the OP had a vested interest in this subject and that in itself would not comply with present day forum rules and policy.

This thread will be edited to reflect present Forum Policy and may then be re-opened at a later date.

If anyone wishes to discuss Bariatric Surgery etc there is a recent thread with a more impartial view which can be found here:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=17233&start=0

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