Who told you that? Some 'expert'? Someone with an agenda? Certainly it was the media,do you trust the media? I dont.Hate to say it but scientists often arent.They are tools,a whole lot of them.A scientist will lie like a politician when they are not getting funded,their lifeblood.I seem to recall reading that the sustainable population of this planet was 4-5 billion. We are way, way beyond that and continue to breed like rabbits.
So when there is no meat,what are we??The reports I read today on the Issue explicitly said they are not asking people to become vegan or veggie.
Why choose? If we do not make some choices then the inevitable will happen. My (educated) take on it is that the real culprit in the mix is not so much livestock as fossil fuels. I have good reason to say that, but will spare the detail as it is not within the remit of the thread. If the world’s population can reign back on the consumption of fossil fuels then no need to reign back on livestock and meat eating.Why choose? Stop wasting food, since 30% of the food produced is wasted. Wasted food rots causing more global warming. Nothing to do with animals, we don't need to all go veggie, just stop the waste.
I have already said stop producing so many goods that we just don't need. So much energy is wasted. What I would like to happen never will happen because those in power don't care enough to do it. Or they care too much about wealth to do it. I would love to see all unnecessary flights stop. I would gladly forego my holidays if everyone else did too. Stop expecting a growth in the economy. Go for decline and less production, less wasting of the earth's resources. Make do and mend. Stop throwing things out because we want new. Painful, hard, but do we want to save the planet or not? If it's that important to halt global warming (and it is) then stop wasting fuel (whether fossil fuels or not) on unnecessary things. Yes renewable energy is a good way to go, but what we really need is to be able to store electricity more effectively. Why go to the moon and explore the rest of the solar system when what we really need is to store energy here. We are never going to get to live on another planet, we won't be around for long enough, so why bother exploring there?
Planting trees is a great idea, but not at the cost of good farmland. Have smaller fields like in the 1950s and 60s with trees around the edges. Small woods in the right areas.
Why would anyone think it was a good idea to kill off livestock when there's so much else we could do? It doesn't make any sense. Unless as @1spuds and @mr_cat have said, the real agenda is killing off humans...
I am all for averting climate change, but putting all our efforts into some wacky scheme to stop people eating meat is not going to avert climate change.
Distilling down you are referring to overconsumption, particularly in the west. Much of your posting in this thread mirrors my mother in law’s employer’s lifetime active campaign. ( I haven’t heard his take on livestock in these matters ). So, many of the points you have raised, he has actively worked on, lectures, seminars, community awareness, government consultation to say the least. His voice is heard and with a degree of success but not nearly enough. Intergenerational responsibility underpins his message and that message has got through. Reversing deforestation in his own country was a landmark legal case of his brought about by applying an ingenious piece of legal precedent. Intergenerational responsibility was at the heart of that case. So @zand , I am with you on all of that. But we do have many choices to make and livestock levels and the consumption of meat sits in amongst them.Why choose? Stop wasting food, since 30% of the food produced is wasted. Wasted food rots causing more global warming. Nothing to do with animals, we don't need to all go veggie, just stop the waste.
I have already said stop producing so many goods that we just don't need. So much energy is wasted. What I would like to happen never will happen because those in power don't care enough to do it. Or they care too much about wealth to do it. I would love to see all unnecessary flights stop. I would gladly forego my holidays if everyone else did too. Stop expecting a growth in the economy. Go for decline and less production, less wasting of the earth's resources. Make do and mend. Stop throwing things out because we want new. Painful, hard, but do we want to save the planet or not? If it's that important to halt global warming (and it is) then stop wasting fuel (whether fossil fuels or not) on unnecessary things. Yes renewable energy is a good way to go, but what we really need is to be able to store electricity more effectively. Why go to the moon and explore the rest of the solar system when what we really need is to store energy here. We are never going to get to live on another planet, we won't be around for long enough, so why bother exploring there?
Planting trees is a great idea, but not at the cost of good farmland. Have smaller fields like in the 1950s and 60s with trees around the edges. Small woods in the right areas.
Why would anyone think it was a good idea to kill off livestock when there's so much else we could do? It doesn't make any sense. Unless as @1spuds and @mr_cat have said, the real agenda is killing off humans...
I am all for averting climate change, but putting all our efforts into some wacky scheme to stop people eating meat is not going to avert climate change.
Exactly.Get the other factors in order and we and our children will not have to touch livestock levels.
Could you imagine the mineral content of the end result. It will take a sober tabled Congress to discuss this type of scenario which is true for sheep as well, who can literally turn unsuitable land into well maintained pasture, something for nothing.Beef cattle being rounded up for market.
This landscape is typical for the majority of large cattle stations in the dry season in Australia, the cattle get to eat spinifex, red dirt, and rocks.
And this is what happens when bad science and propaganda go hand in hand.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49321560
I can remember the predictions that we would only need to work a 3 day week and wouldn't know what to do with all our leisure time, that there would be no paper in offices and we would have flying cars, that by now global warming would mean we could grow tropical fruits in England. So I am cynical about predictions.From what I read a couple of weeks ago, the future will see beef and sheep farming disappear. The land will be used to grow trees and make forests. Our meat will come from limited amounts of pork and chicken. Vegetables, fruit, and arable crops will be grown in massive greenhouses with tiers in them, so the crops can be grown on the top of each other. This is supposed to feed the world with its ever increasing population.
I mentioned on another thread - the solution could be to euthanise everyone of pension age and eat them. That would solve many problems this country has. (I am being facetious by the way).
Yes I remember being told those things too.I can remember the predictions that we would only need to work a 3 day week and wouldn't know what to do with all our leisure time, that there would be no paper in offices and we would have flying cars, that by now global warming would mean we could grow tropical fruits in England. So I am cynical about predictions.
oh yes! My brother and I use this phrase as shorthand every time we talk about another stupid thing that's happening in the world that we simply ought to be doing better. "Where are the flying cars, that's what I'd like to know?"flying cars
I'm more cynical about some predictions than others. In particular the ones that tell me I don't need to worry, everything's OK and it's not happening, when the evidence appears to point to the contrary. (Banking crisis anyone?)So I am cynical about predictions.
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