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Obesity - The Post Mortem - BBC 1 London - 10.40 pm Tonight

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JohnEGreen said:
You can find information on bariatric surgery here

Not all are permanent some can be reversed if required.
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Not what we're asking for. We are just pointing out that it's easy to say 'lose weight' not so easy to do. It isn't about willpower, it's about broken bodies not working properly. Bariatric surgery won't fix broken metabolisms.

@serenity648 I'm sure my body broke during a stressful time as a young child. A naturopath is helping me try to fix my adrenal glands now. It's too early to say if it is working or not, but I understand your frustration. Like you I lost weight initially but have been stuck for a long time. All I can suggest is to keep searching for your own answers. Try to mix things up a bit to keep your body guessing. There are a few of us here on this forum who struggle with weight loss like you. It's really hard when you stick to a diet/eating plan and the weight just won't shift. I'm feeling quite down about it myself right now too.
 
The question was what alternative is there to diet or exercise bariatric surgery is an alternative that some on this forum have tried or are considering.
 
asparagusp said:
Any conclusions drawn from performing the autopsy??
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It's harder than it looks playing a corpse in a murder mystery play..
Especially if the actor is more comfortable with radio. ;)
 
Reminds of that programme a few years back with that creepy guy, Dr Gunther Von Hagen where he sliced and diced up dead people on camera.
 
It's weird watching it on TV actually made me feel worse than doing it in real life I also found after getting an intimate knowledge of the internal structures of the body you never look at people in quite the same way again.
 
I watched this programme last night. I fail to see the connection with obesity.

The organ damage to the lungs, heart and kidneys was caused by untreated or untreatable long term high blood pressure, leading to heart failure. Which can happen to someone of any size.

The fatty liver disease was not explained, and could be related to the hypertension, and again can happen to anyone of any size as it appears to be related to what one eats, not the quantity.

The programme also stated, several times, that the role of fat in our bodies is not understood, and we dont know if fat around our organs is good or bad. So inconclusive as an anti obesity point.

I think that the "obesity is damaging and killing us" mantra is on a par with the "eating fat is killing us" mantra, and blaming people for their size, while not knowing if their size is actually a problem, lets the medical profession off the hook of addressing the issue of low fat, high carb diets in general harming the whole population.

It reminds me of the "low cholesterol is good" we are hearing, while the actual evidence is the opposite. And the "fat is bad, carbs are good" when the evidence is the opposite.

We evolved to lay down fat. Maybe the fat we now lay down, coming from harmful processed foods and carbs, is different to the fat we used to lay down. I dont know and neither do the medical professionals. Maybe this fat will prove to have a beneficial use, like cholesterol has now proved to have. I dont know, and neither do the medical professionals. They didnt show an autopsy of a healthy obese person and compare their organs to a slim person. They showed the autopsy of a seriously ill person, with an illness that can affect any age and size.

The bottom line is this: the obese, like type 2's, are being told its their fault they have medical problems, and that we cant be fit and fat. Both of which are false.

(ducks behind sofa and waits for the barrage of disagreement)
 
serenity648 said:
I watched this programme last night. I fail to see the connection with obesity.

The organ damage to the lungs, heart and kidneys was caused by untreated or untreatable long term high blood pressure, leading to heart failure. Which can happen to someone of any size.

The fatty liver disease was not explained, and could be related to the hypertension, and again can happen to anyone of any size as it appears to be related to what one eats, not the quantity.

The programme also stated, several times, that the role of fat in our bodies is not understood, and we dont know if fat around our organs is good or bad. So inconclusive as an anti obesity point.

I think that the "obesity is damaging and killing us" mantra is on a par with the "eating fat is killing us" mantra, and blaming people for their size, while not knowing if their size is actually a problem, lets the medical profession off the hook of addressing the issue of low fat, high carb diets in general harming the whole population.

It reminds me of the "low cholesterol is good" we are hearing, while the actual evidence is the opposite. And the "fat is bad, carbs are good" when the evidence is the opposite.

We evolved to lay down fat. Maybe the fat we now lay down, coming from harmful processed foods and carbs, is different to the fat we used to lay down. I dont know and neither do the medical professionals. Maybe this fat will prove to have a beneficial use, like cholesterol has now proved to have. I dont know, and neither do the medical professionals. They didnt show an autopsy of a healthy obese person and compare their organs to a slim person. They showed the autopsy of a seriously ill person, with an illness that can affect any age and size.

The bottom line is this: the obese, like type 2's, are being told its their fault they have medical problems, and that we cant be fit and fat. Both of which are false.

(ducks behind sofa and waits for the barrage of disagreement)
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I saw this programme some time ago, and I haven't re-watched it. However, my general comment would be that many (certainly not all) folks who are overweight present with raised blood pressure.
 
"They didnt show an autopsy of a healthy obese person" @serenity648 Where are these people carrying their fat? I can't see how having enough visceral fat to make a person obese can be healthy. Not to mention the strain on joints and other non life-threatening side-effects of obesity. Not having a go, just curious.

I didn't feel the documentary was out to preach which was refreshing. My "fat-shaming" detector didn't go off once. It was just the facts of this woman's body.
 
Perhaps it's worth saying that dieting always, in the end results in weight loss, so those who say they have failed to lose weight thru diet do not have the discipline needed or a suitable diet. Newsreels of areas of starvation in the world show the effects of not enough food. My wife has a much lower metabolism than me and to achieve the weight loss she wants she has to have more discipline than me but she does have that and the results prove it. She is not diabetic but seriously low-carbs. It does work. When the body is obese, excess fat is deposited in many different organs e.g. liver, pancreas, circulatory system etc and each of these suffers reduced efficiency. The increased weight thru the obesity increases bone joint damage, reduces mobility and so on. Being too thin may not be good and being slightly overweight may not be a problem but obesity really is.
 
mahola said:
"They didnt show an autopsy of a healthy obese person"

Of course they weren't healthy. They were dead!
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People die of natural causes you know. Like old age. To use someone who has clearly suffered a long illness causing damage to their organs for a long time is not showing the effects of actual obesity. It is showing the effects of having high blood pressure for a long time. The purpose of the programme was, apparently, going by the title, to show purely the effects attributable to obesity, on the human body inside. Not the effects of high blood pressure causing heart failure, which can and does happen to slim people.

where was the actual, factual bits causing death, which they pointed to as being solely due to obesity and not found in slim people?
 
mahola said:
Sorry. I've been sat here giggling for the past ten minutes. A healthy obese person? That's a paradox and a half! Hehe.
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no. it isnt. Its a myth that is being perpetuated and is used to back up the idea that fat people are a self inflicted drain on the health system.
 
serenity648 said:
People die of natural causes you know. Like old age. To use someone who has clearly suffered a long illness causing damage to their organs for a long time is not showing the effects of actual obesity. It is showing the effects of having high blood pressure for a long time. The purpose of the programme was, apparently, going by the title, to show purely the effects attributable to obesity, on the human body inside. Not the effects of high blood pressure causing heart failure, which can and does happen to slim people.

where was the actual, factual bits causing death, which they pointed to as being solely due to obesity and not found in slim people?
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I don't think it would have mattered if the poor woman had been hit by a bus. The fact was her internal organs were covered with excess fat, her heart muscle was enlarged from carrying around excess weight etc none of which can be healthy.

I challenge anyone to say they would rather be obese than not in a magic wand scenario.
 
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