Omega-6 Apocalypse - Are vegetable oils driving the rise in obesity, heart disease and type 2 diabetes

[BadgerPaul]

@BadgerPaul, what take you make from this oil/fats controversy is entirely up to you! As with everything else to do with T2D - how or if you track your bio markers, your food and drink, your meds or no meds, your choice of exercise or not - this ball is in your court. It's one of the things that makes metabolic disease such a big deal is there is SO much on the person with the metabolic disease to decide on. And it's all under the rubrick 'lifestyle'. And 'lifestyle choices'.

Saying that, I can say what I do, which is absolutely cook with coconut oil when I want that flavour. I grew up eating coconut meat and drinking coconut milk, and could crack one open on concrete pretty well, and was surrounded by folks who had coconuts in their ancestral diets, (living in the south pacific) and had lean muscular physiques on it, and low levels of heart disease (as most peoples did pre industrial revolution and the 20th century I take it - we died too early of other things back then). I bake with coconut oil as well, and coconut flour, and dessicated coconut. Almond flour is my main flour, as it is lower carb than coconut flour, but I like the flavour. You can buy unscented coconut oil as well of course.

Re traditional European animal fats like lard - if you want more info Nina Teicholz's work on the subject is magnificent. A seminal book, and lots of youtube vids on the main info, I believe.

Hi a few things I want to say today. First thanks you for referring Nina Teicholz’s. I’m finding it very interesting (audio book). I’ve just finished listening to the The Carnavor code by Paul Saladin MD. Very technical but well worth a listen.
I’m very proud to report since loosing 5 stone since last November. I’ve stopped my insulin injections and after talking to my doctors. Who told me my A1C was down to 40mmol and she wants me to stop my Metformin.
So it could be argued after 15 years I’m not diabetic anymore Yahoo

 

[ianf0ster]

@BadgerPaul I would argue that with an HbA1C below pre-diabetic range and taking no diabetes meds I'm only in T2D remission (for 4yrs). I'm fairly certain that if I went back to a so-called heathy diet again (based upon lots of fruit and veg, low fat, lots of fibre etc.) I would soon have an HbA1C of over 50 again.

 

[AloeSvea]

Great news @BadgerPaul.

I will give you my own experience here, though, just to give you a wee 'alert'. I got my HBA1c down to 40 a couple of times in the first - 5 years I think it is? post diagnosis. Maybe 6 or 7? And was in the prediabetes zone for that time. In some remission circles, this is called imcomplete remission.

A big part of remission, according to my understanding, is the passage of time. And No 'anti diabetic' meds, naturally.

Then, even on a low-carb diet, and then with IFing, my blood glucose became very susceptible to rising quite dramatically with various changes, to such an extent I must face the probable fact that I have some serious longterm IR damage in my blood glucose system somewhere. (I have been normal weighted since low carbing, nearly a decade now, so it's not now fat cell related, at least that can bring about remission.) Due to my extensive bio marker/BG tracking I believe I know where, or have a pretty good idea, and am currently in the process of trying to convince my great longterm city doc to let me choose my meds based on that info. (So far, not working.)

Anyway - because type two is metabolic, it is very sensitive to switching treatments, due to something called the hormesis effect, is my understanding. And so much to do with type two is at cellular level, cells can respond quite dramatically to hormetic stress. For me, it goes the other way too, easily alas.

Anyway, just posing a wee 'alert' here.

 

[BadgerPaul]

Great news @BadgerPaul.

I will give you my own experience here, though, just to give you a wee 'alert'. I got my HBA1c down to 40 a couple of times in the first - 5 years I think it is? post diagnosis. Maybe 6 or 7? And was in the prediabetes zone for that time. In some remission circles, this is called imcomplete remission.

A big part of remission, according to my understanding, is the passage of time. And No 'anti diabetic' meds, naturally.

Then, even on a low-carb diet, and then with IFing, my blood glucose became very susceptible to rising quite dramatically with various changes, to such an extent I must face the probable fact that I have some serious longterm IR damage in my blood glucose system somewhere. (I have been normal weighted since low carbing, nearly a decade now, so it's not now fat cell related, at least that can bring about remission.) Due to my extensive bio marker/BG tracking I believe I know where, or have a pretty good idea, and am currently in the process of trying to convince my great longterm city doc to let me choose my meds based on that info. (So far, not working.)

Anyway - because type two is metabolic, it is very sensitive to switching treatments, due to something called the hormesis effect, is my understanding. And so much to do with type two is at cellular level, cells can respond quite dramatically to hormetic stress. For me, it goes the other way too, easily alas.

Anyway, just posing a wee 'alert' here.

Thanks for your advice. Pre warned is a good thing. Might stop me panicking if thing change as I’m now diabetes medication free.
I do have a concern as I’m still loosing weight (very slowly). My daily calories (2100) keep coming out down(goal 2300). Protein, sugar are fine and fat is slightly high. Which by my understanding is fine. Fibre is slightly down.
Let’s wait and see what happens over the next month. Hopefully good things

 

[AloeSvea]

Yes indeed - @BadgerPaul - hopefully good things for sure. (And then you can stop all that counting? But you might enjoy that? I am completely out of the closet as someone who hates all the counting that can be involved with trying to get better with type two. And type 1s have their own counting stuff going on.)

The omega 3/ omega 6 ratio is pretty easy counting though, thank goodness!

 

[BadgerPaul]

I’ve just had my blood test done at the doctors and as said previously spoke to the GP. I’m now trying to interpret the report. Which isn’t that easy. I think I will take a screenshot of each section. Then check it out on google. Or is there an easier way one of you can tell me. Hahaha thanks

 

[Chris24Main]

Congrats @BadgerPaul ... great work.

One thing to think about for the long term (and I'm not there, I'm hoping to be listed as in remission by the end of the year) as you become more fat adapted, your blood cells live longer.. therefore will just see more glycation for the same amount of glucose in the blood... in other words... I think it's inevitable that a healthy metabolism will show a gradual HbA1c rise over the longer term which needs to be interpreted (not read as remission failing necessarily).

 

[BadgerPaul]

Thanks I’ll bear that in mind

 

[BadgerPaul]

Thanks I’ll bear that in mind

Chris24main
Hi well I’ve been free from diabetic for two weeks. Initially no problem but my daily sugar levels are trying to rise. I’m fighting back. Trying to reduce my carbs keeping my sugar under control. Eating a lot of meat. Hard work but I’m hoping that in another two/three I will get more control