Osteoarthritis

[Superchip]

Thanks Geoff for encouraging a proper thinker ( Mr Barry Groves ) to these forums. I agree with just about everything he says, It was his book Trick and Treat that got me interested in taking a completely new approach to my health, having been a lacky to the ' official ' advice that the NHS trots out, like some other blinkered posters on here.No names no pack drill,you know who you are !

And welcome Barry Groves to probably the best diabetes site in the world ( Heineken ) !

Great stuff Geoff

We'll get there little by little, oh ! and have you had a look at the ' other place ' yet ' ?

Roy

 

[phoenix]

I read that metabolic syndrome and arthritis may be associated with some forms of arthritis and some researchers have characterised it as a subtype of Metabolic osteoarthritis
http://www.nature.com/nrrheum/journal/v ... 2.135.html

I was interested in your reasons for blaming diet and carbohydrates in particular.
From your article.

There are many conditions in Western industrialised societies today that were unheard of, or at least very rare, just a century ago. The same conditions are still unheard of in primitive peoples who do not have the 'benefits' of our knowledge.
Dietary causes:
Osteo Arthritis: Carbohydrate based 'healthy' diet.

Rheumatoid Arthritis: Carbohydrates; cereals; excess omega-6 vegetable oils.

I wondered what the evidence from prehistory told us.
This is what I discovered.

Osteoarthritis has been found in many ancient peoples, not least the Thule, a culture living in Alaska and the
Canadian Arctic from roughly 800-700 BP. Skeletal remains from there and elsewhere in the Artic bear evidence of osteoporosis, degenerative arthritis an Spondylolysis
http://www.uniklinik-freiburg.de/anthro ... rpaleo.pdf
http://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cg ... thritis%22

You cite Western Price as finding no cases of Rheumatoid Arthritis in his survey of North American Indians. Maybe he missed them. It appears that Rheumatoid Arthritis may be an unusual case of a disease of New World Origin with it appearing later in the Old World.

Rheumatoid arthritis apparently started as a disease of American Indians, who are still predisposed to this potentially crippling disease. The study of over 20,000 skeletons has now identified its spread in North America and subsequently, to Europe. Current data indicate the presence of rheumatoid arthritis in a very small area of southwestern Kentucky, west-central Tennessee, and northwestern Alabama in the Archaic period (5000-500 BC), a minor spread to Ohio in the Woodland period (500 BC-AD 1000), and an explosive spread after the late 18th century.

I know nothing about the diet of the North American Indian in prehistory . The source I found suggests that though some grain was grown in the latter Archaic period, it was a small part of the diet and that it consisted of Chenopod, Maygrass and Aramanth, none of which contain gluten.
http://www.nature.com/nrrheum/journal/v ... 21_F1.html
I don't have full access to this paper but this pretty timeline demonstrates the theory.
http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/research/r ... -05txt.htm
http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/research/r ... -27txt.htm

I'm no expert on this, don't claim to be but maybe the health of some earlier groups of people has been overstated.
I doubt if I'll come back to this question but I've spent an interesting afternoon looking at post mortem reports :lol:

 

[Sid Bonkers]

I wont be contributing to this thread any more, not because I feel i am wrong far from it as I have such bad arthritis that I can not function with out serious pain killing drugs, but because I feel that I am just being wound up by librarising and superchip and that they are playing some sick game.

So all I'll say is take your sick game and play it somewher else as I am not that gullible.

 

[Hobs]

Sorry to go off-topic and mention "arthritis".

Providing its clean and reasonably decent, you can mention most things here.

I'm not implying this will work for you or anyone other than me, but please do give it a try.

I was advised to trial Coenzyme Q10 for a cardiac/muscle problem I became inflicted with and after a while the difference was evident. Not only my heart and muscle pain improved but also my OA started to be less intrusive. Now, two years on, my OA has not progressed and my restricted movement eased to the point where the pain is now tolerable. My consultant at the bone/joint clinic was not entirely surprised and did say that in a small but significant number of cases this has been observed. Also my consumption of dihydrocodiene forte has been cut by about 75%

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Hi Hobs, just to clarify my own position, I have degenerative arthritis caused by an injury I suffered 25/30 odd years ago which later resulted in some nerve damage around the area of the lower two vertebrae, this damage is irreversible and as the name suggests 'degenerative'. The pain I suffer is usually in my right leg and not around the arthritic area of my lower spine, its a bit like sciatica only the pain can be anywhere from my groin to the tips of my toes and is pretty much constant.

Losing weight definitely helped with my arthritis as I now get significantly fewer bouts of lower back pain but the nerve damage is done and nothing can currently ease that condition except very strong pain killers.