Osteoarthritis

[sterling]

Sorry to go off-topic and mention "arthritis".

Is there a forum as good as this one for people suffering from arthritis?

 

[Pilgrim22]

Have you tried http://www.arthritiscare.org.uk/forums/

It isn't as busy has here but some good posts do come up

 

[librarising]

Barry Groves has become my go-to person when looking for a cause of any modern disease, and I'd recommend his Natural Health And Weight Loss to anyone. Here's what he says about arthritis (osteo and rheumatoid)

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/arthritis.html

Obviously he's someone who lays a lot of the ills of modern society at the foot of carbs, especially cereals, and vegetable oils.

Since osteo- involes wear and tear, possibly involving being overweight, any damage done is probably irreversible, but adding to current damage may be avoidable.

Your profile says "still eating fruit." These may be carbs you need to knock on the head.

Geoff

edit : I'd also strongly recommend Barry Groves' Trick And Treat.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Barry Groves has become my go-to person when looking for a cause of any modern disease, and I'd recommend his Natural Health And Weight Loss to anyone. Here's what he says about arthritis (osteo and rheumatoid)

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/arthritis.html

Obviously he's someone who lays a lot of the ills of modern society at the foot of carbs, especially cereals, and vegetable oils.

Since osteo- involes wear and tear, possibly involving being overweight, any damage done is probably irreversible, but adding to current damage may be avoidable.

Your profile says "still eating fruit." These may be carbs you need to knock on the head.

Geoff

edit : I'd also strongly recommend Barry Groves' Trick And Treat.

You clearly know nothing about osteoarthritis Geoff and neither does Barry Groves which doesnt surprise me in the least, yes losing weight will help take the pressure off degenerated joints and disks but carbs have absolutely nothing to do with it.

It just makes me laugh some of the claims made by the evangelical low carbers who seem to believe that low carbing is the cure for everything, Groves is an idiot if he truly believes what he writes, which I doubt, absolute tosh.

 

[Defren]

Sorry to go off-topic and mention "arthritis".

Is there a forum as good as this one for people suffering from arthritis?

I deeply sympathize. I was diagnosed with AJA aged 29, and it's no fun. I suffered for years until I began my low carb diet. Now, I can't be sure if it is the low carbs, or the weight loss, but since March, I have been amazing, I did have some problems with my knees and shoulder a week or so ago, but when you think what arthritis does, there is never going to be a cure, even joint replacements only last so many years. Not long after I began to low carb I started taking a supplement called Osteocare. I think the fist lot came from Amazon, then Sainsbury's had them on offer 3 for 2 and I have been getting them there since, but Holland and Barrett also sell them. They are Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin D3, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Selenium and Boron. You just take one twice a day. Again it was a combination of the supplements, a low carb diet and weight loss, but between the three, I am re-born. I can't put into words the difference in my quality of life, it's amazing.

To answer your question, I don't use an arthritis forum, as I am certain, if I had a question, someone here could help. I know it's not an arthritis forum, but there are such a wide variety of posters, someone always knows what your talking about.

 

[noblehead]

Sorry to go off-topic and mention "arthritis".

Is there a forum as good as this one for people suffering from arthritis?

Also check to see if there's any support groups in your area, hospital waiting areas and clinics are a good place to look.

 

[Patch]

but carbs have absolutely nothing to do with it.

The same way that carbs have nothing to do with BG control?

We know that the high BG's that sugar/carbs cause leads to irreversable damage to organs - is it such a stretch of the imagination to consider that bones and joints could be affected by high bg's too?

 

[Defren]

Sorry to go off-topic and mention "arthritis".

Is there a forum as good as this one for people suffering from arthritis?

Also check to see if there's any support groups in your area, hospital waiting areas and clinics are a good place to look.

Not a bad idea if your a group type person. I'm not, but I know many people get a great deal of comfort and support from such groups.

 

[sterling]

I deeply sympathize. I was diagnosed with AJA aged 29, and it's no fun. I suffered for years until I began my low carb diet. Now, I can't be sure if it is the low carbs, or the weight loss, but since March, I have been amazing, I did have some problems with my knees and shoulder a week or so ago, but when you think what arthritis does, there is never going to be a cure, even joint replacements only last so many years. Not long after I began to low carb I started taking a supplement called Osteocare. I think the fist lot came from Amazon, then Sainsbury's had them on offer 3 for 2 and I have been getting them there since, but Holland and Barrett also sell them. They are Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin D3, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Selenium and Boron. You just take one twice a day. Again it was a combination of the supplements, a low carb diet and weight loss, but between the three, I am re-born. I can't put into words the difference in my quality of life, it's amazing.

To answer your question, I don't use an arthritis forum, as I am certain, if I had a question, someone here could help. I know it's not an arthritis forum, but there are such a wide variety of posters, someone always knows what your talking about.

Thank you, Defren, for you kind posting, and specific advice. I will be visiting Sainsbury's tomorrow.

Rather oddly, I was led to believe by various consultants that the pain in my hand was caused by diabetes. It has taken 18 months of tests and consultations for osteoarthritis to be diagnosed (osteoarthrites was eliminated out of hand 18 months ago).

The relality that I have lost 23 kg and all meaureable risk factors are presently under control. I feel great except that my hands are very painful. I hover around 80g of carbs a day, the carb being mainly fruit. I am reluctant to take out the fruit which if one of my few cravings apart from coffee.

The combined supplement sounds idea.

Regards, Sterling

 

[Defren]

I deeply sympathize. I was diagnosed with AJA aged 29, and it's no fun. I suffered for years until I began my low carb diet. Now, I can't be sure if it is the low carbs, or the weight loss, but since March, I have been amazing, I did have some problems with my knees and shoulder a week or so ago, but when you think what arthritis does, there is never going to be a cure, even joint replacements only last so many years. Not long after I began to low carb I started taking a supplement called Osteocare. I think the fist lot came from Amazon, then Sainsbury's had them on offer 3 for 2 and I have been getting them there since, but Holland and Barrett also sell them. They are Calcium, Magnesium, Vitamin D3, Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Selenium and Boron. You just take one twice a day. Again it was a combination of the supplements, a low carb diet and weight loss, but between the three, I am re-born. I can't put into words the difference in my quality of life, it's amazing.

To answer your question, I don't use an arthritis forum, as I am certain, if I had a question, someone here could help. I know it's not an arthritis forum, but there are such a wide variety of posters, someone always knows what your talking about.

Thank you, Defren, for you kind posting, and specific advice. I will be visiting Sainsbury's tomorrow.

Rather oddly, I was led to believe by various consultants that the pain in my hand was caused by diabetes. It has taken 18 months of tests and consultations for osteoarthritis to be diagnosed (osteoarthrites was eliminated out of hand 18 months ago).

The relality that I have lost 23 kg and all meaureable risk factors are presently under control. I feel great except that my hands are very painful. I hover around 80g of carbs a day, the carb being mainly fruit. I am reluctant to take out the fruit which if one of my few cravings apart from coffee.

The combined supplement sounds idea.

Regards, Sterling

Your more than welcome. I hope things get better for you, there is nothing as debilitating as arthritis pain. Don't expect miracles overnight, I found as time went along I could do more and more with less and less pain, but it's still a work in progress, and there are still somethings I can't quite manage, but it does get better.

Please let me know how you get on, I truly do know how you are feeling, I was exactly the same only last March. I have the **** condition in every joint and my spine, but bit by bit my quality of life has changed out of all recognition. I look 10 years younger not hunched over trying to walk now. Jo.

 

[sterling]

I got the Osteocare from Sainsburys, buy three get one free.

I am not really sold on supplements, but this one makes sense.

On a different matter, does the GLUCO in Glucosamine suggest glucose? Reasearch does not consistently see this as beneficial.

 

[Defren]

I got the Osteocare from Sainsburys, buy three get one free.

I am not really sold on supplements, but this one makes sense.

On a different matter, does the GLUCO in Glucosamine suggest glucose? Reasearch does not consistently see this as beneficial.

I take all kinds of supplements, I will try them for a while, see what if anything happens, if not then I stop that one and try something else. The ones I remain on and won't change are Osteocare, a good quality vitamin/mineral, Gymnema, VitB complex and organic Selenium. My GP prescribes me a vitD tablet, but I also take it in a spray to top up the prescription.

As far as I am aware, the gluco in Glucosamine is not the glucose we avoid, however, I tried Glucosamine and it did nothing for me, that's not to say it won't help you, but not me.

Good luck, I hope you get some ease with the Osteocare.

 

[humaject]

I was diagnosed with wrist and ankle arthritus in May 2012 with a swollen ankle and a great deal of pain while walking or putting any weight on it,, the wrist the same ,the doctor advised against work and gave me a not fit to work note i eventually got an appointment with a consultant surgeon due in October ,meanwhile i underwent an atos fit for work examination and was diagnosed as having nothing wrong and my benefits stopped. I saw the consultant 2 weeks ago and he said it was a severe case of arthritus the xrays showed 3 fractures, unknown to me...... the tibia and fibula bones have no cartlidge left so they are chaffing and rubbing on the talus joint causing great pain and the ankle is swollen alot. The consultant said he could pin the joints together in an operation called ankle fusion but advised against as being a diabetic if i got an infection it could lead to amputation of the foot and possibly part of the leg,, and advised against a lot of walking etc. I am appealing against the ATOS decision with this evidence i am 57 years old and been a type 1 diabetic for 44 years and this is the first time i have ever claimed any sick benefit i left school at 15 and have worked for 42 years. Have any of the members had any dealings like this Thx

 

[halfpint]

I had arthritis (which sort I have no idea) in my hips about 15+ years ago, it was so painful I had to give up my job as head gardener etc. I started taking glucosamine and chrondroitin, it did slowly relieve the pain. I had another x-ray a year or so ago - and guess what - no sign of arthritis However, this might just be because it didn't show up on that particular x-ray, it could be that the first diagnosis was wrong etc. etc. I have stopped taking them at the moment - cost. One thing I do notice though is that the pain always gets worse during damp weather, or at least weather change. Often starting to get worse several days or even a week before the weather really shows any signs of change. I wish someone would find a cure for it though, I get really fed up with the constant nagging pain, hips, knees, shoulder, elbow, thumbs, fingers - you name it, and mine is relatively speaking only mild.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

meanwhile i underwent an atos fit for work examination and was diagnosed as having nothing wrong and my benefits stopped.

You have my deepest sympathy humaject, as I have just undergone my own which has taken over six months due to them (Atos) not having anyone available to see me at the first assessment despite my sitting there for over an hour waiting and subsequent appointments being re appointed and then the six or seven week wait after the actual assessment to get the result, which in my case was positive having now been placed in the support group, but the stress it has caused me over the past six months or so is considerable and I understand I will be reassessed every year now as well :cry:

I wish you good luck with your appeal, I hope it goes in your favour, try to get as much medical evidence as you can, letters from consultants etc and keep your chin up :thumbup:

 

[Barry Groves]

Thank you for endorsement earlier, librarising

Sid Bonkers

If you don't believe there is a connection between high BG and osteoarthritis (OA), see a few studies published just this year at:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22907293 - "Hyperglycaemia and OA interact at both local and systemic levels; local effects of oxidative stress and advanced glycation end-products are implicated in cartilage damage,"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22796312 - "Accumulation of MS [metabolic syndrome] components is significantly related to both occurrence and progression of KOA [knee osteoarthritis].

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22739094 - "Increased fasting serum glucose concentration in a non-diabetic population was associated with adverse structural changes at the knee in women .. ."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22739094 - "Higher pain-related disability levels (1-year RMDQ score) was associated with ≥ 6.1 mmol/L fasting glucose level at baseline (β 3.7, 95% CI 1.2 to 6.1, p = 0.00),"

And does your diabetes hide osteoarthritis pain? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22305707

And there are many other earlier studies linking hyperglycaemia with arthritis

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Well hello Mr Groves if thats who you really are which I seriously doubt, but just to prove that I have a sense of humour and really to answer librarising in more detail here we go.



On the link provided by librarising Mr Groves writes, and I quote:

Dietary causes:
Osteo Arthritis: Carbohydrate based 'healthy' diet.

Rheumatoid Arthritis: Carbohydrates; cereals; excess omega-6 vegetable oils.

Now when I look at information written by a doctor on the causes of arthritis this is what I find:
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/arthritis/page2_em.htm

Arthritis Causes

The causes of arthritis depend on the form of arthritis. Causes include
injury (leading to degenerative arthritis),
abnormal metabolism (such as gout and pseudogout),
inheritance (such as in osteoarthritis),
infections (such as in the arthritis of Lyme disease),
and an overactive immune system (such as rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus).


Oddly theres no mention of carbohydrates. In fact I looked at at least a dozen pages written by doctors and not one of them mentions carbohydrates at all.

So should I believe you Mr Groves, librarising or a doctor?
The answer is that I will of course almost always follow the advice given by qualified doctors over writers.

 

[anna29]

Hi guys .

Sid/geoff - please keep things from getting too personal.

Agree to disagree maybe ?

Thanks Anna.

 

[librarising]

anna,

I posted 22 days ago. I no longer read Sid's posts.

There's nothing to worry about

Geoff (and I'm not posting under the name of Barry Groves :lol: )

 

[Barry Groves]

Yes, I am the Barry Groves you mean.

Bear in mind, Sid, that doctors receive no training in diet or nutrition; they are trained to prescribe drugs.

The references I sent were all written by doctors and all of them not only mention carbohydrates, they blame carbohydrates.

You are right that I am not a medical doctor, which is why I never make a statement without also providing a reference from a recognised peer-reviewed medical journal or other scientific work. I never voice unsupported opinions - the subject is too serious.