That's great Tweetypie!Bebo321, I think your advice is brilliant and I will certainly be trying this myself. I prefer to exercise first thing but I find because of DP, I can't - very frustrating!
Great results Bluetit1802!
I love the fact that you are so on top of your diabetes!
A few thoughts about what you are experiencing ;
Firstly, weight loss will no doubt be having a positive affect on your BGs, as your insulin resistance will have improved and I would suggest that this is why your fasting levels are lower.
Consuming carbs for breakfast (even a small amount) will inevitably raise your BGs a little, but the only way to know for certain that this is the cause is by cooking yourself up a bit of bacon and eggs (if you can face it) instead, and see what result this has on your pre-lunch reading.
It does seem odd that you are not maintaining the same levels as before however - perhaps someone else on the forum could enlighten you there.
Just out of interest, have you tried more vigorous exercise too see what effect that has on your BGs? It might be something to consider if your fitness level allows - or if not something you could work up to?Although intense exercise will ordinarily cause your blood glucose levels to rise, however if you follow it with a period of moderate exercise you should enable to bring the level back down again.
I only ask, because the beneficial effects of higher intensity exercise actually last longer (possibly even up to 24hrs or so) and I am wondering if that might help you get your fasting bloods down even lower, whilst also improving your insulin sensitivity further.
Perhaps before you go on your walk, you could do some gentle stretches and warm up your muscles - jog on the spot for a couple of minutes then run on the spot as fast as you can for a minute or so - then go on your walk as usual. See if this makes further improvements.
Anyway, it's just a thought. Either way you are doing a brilliant job at managing your diabetes - you should feel very proud of yourself.
I have just found this very interesting thread, I too have been doing a few 'experiments' trying to lower my pre breakfast levels, (without much success), but I have found a way of stabilising my morning levels immediately after testing.
* I test very first thing in the morning, as soon as I get up. Over last 8 weeks this has averaged 6.1 (max 7.6, min 5.2).
* Immediately after testing I have some a large handful of fruit ( normally blueberries and/or strawberries, blackcurrents, raspberries) with a good measure of double cream or plain Greek yoghurt.
* my average 1 hour testing after this breakfast over last 8 weeks is 6.4, but I do not do this test every day, as it is so predictable it is a waste of test strips, most of these tests have been when I have been particularly high in the morning. Eg 24-May, pre breakfast reading was 7.0, ate some berries and cream, 1 hour later I was 5.2.
* I always try to keep active immediately after breakfast! sitting down or lying down does not help.
1 to 1 1/2 hours after my berries and cream I have a 2nd breakfast, egg, sausage, bacon mushrooms and tomatoe.
1 hour after my 2nd breakfast my average test reading over last 8 weeks is 5.6
I think the key is; test immediately you get up, eat something quick immediately you get up, then have a proper breakfast later when you can.
This works for me, and if you can fit something like this into your busy morning schedule it may be worth a try.
As for high morning blood sugar levels, I think a lot of it is down to the protein eaten during the day. 10g of protein = around 5g of carbs, but it takes much longer to go through our system. I am actually trying to put on a little weight, so tried upping my fat and protein levels at breakfast and lunch (I am on a LcHf diet). This had no effect on daytime BS levels, but increased my pr-breakfast levels, even though my evening meal was the same or even less. I got to the point of hardly eating anything in the evening, but it made no difference. As soon as I lowered my breakfast and lunch protein levels my pre-breakfast readings came back down to levels beforehand.
Diagnosed T2 in sept 2013, BS levels 20+. BMI 22, age 58. Requested a GAD test in November, came back very high 2,000+, doc said I would be T1 very soon, but presently LADA, and managing to keep 99% of my BS readings one hour after meals under 7.8 without insulin or any medication.
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I have just found this very interesting thread, I too have been doing a few 'experiments' trying to lower my pre breakfast levels, (without much success), but I have found a way of stabilising my morning levels immediately after testing.
* I test very first thing in the morning, as soon as I get up. Over last 8 weeks this has averaged 6.1 (max 7.6, min 5.2).
* Immediately after testing I have some a large handful of fruit ( normally blueberries and/or strawberries, blackcurrents, raspberries) with a good measure of double cream or plain Greek yoghurt.
* my average 1 hour testing after this breakfast over last 8 weeks is 6.4, but I do not do this test every day, as it is so predictable it is a waste of test strips, most of these tests have been when I have been particularly high in the morning. Eg 24-May, pre breakfast reading was 7.0, ate some berries and cream, 1 hour later I was 5.2.
* I always try to keep active immediately after breakfast! sitting down or lying down does not help.
1 to 1 1/2 hours after my berries and cream I have a 2nd breakfast, egg, sausage, bacon mushrooms and tomatoe.
1 hour after my 2nd breakfast my average test reading over last 8 weeks is 5.6
I think the key is; test immediately you get up, eat something quick immediately you get up, then have a proper breakfast later when you can.
This works for me, and if you can fit something like this into your busy morning schedule it may be worth a try.
As for high morning blood sugar levels, I think a lot of it is down to the protein eaten during the day. 10g of protein = around 5g of carbs, but it takes much longer to go through our system. I am actually trying to put on a little weight, so tried upping my fat and protein levels at breakfast and lunch (I am on a LcHf diet). This had no effect on daytime BS levels, but increased my pr-breakfast levels, even though my evening meal was the same or even less. I got to the point of hardly eating anything in the evening, but it made no difference. As soon as I lowered my breakfast and lunch protein levels my pre-breakfast readings came back down to levels beforehand.
Diagnosed T2 in sept 2013, BS levels 20+. BMI 22, age 58. Requested a GAD test in November, came back very high 2,000+, doc said I would be T1 very soon, but presently LADA, and managing to keep 99% of my BS readings one hour after meals under 7.8 without insulin or any medication.
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May I ask a couple of questions?:
I have made a few posts about protein and my BG levels. My first was after a meat feast where the protein kept me at 5.5 through the night all the way to 11AM. I thought my meter had broken originally. I have now proved it and I get my higher fastings after eating a lot of protein in the evenings and it is highest after eating beef out of all the proteins.
It is funny but I seem to be lower after a more carby less protein/fat evening meal. Not what you want to hear, but I am never that high nowWow!
That's great Andrew!
Just out of interest - have you discovered any particularly appetising evening meals that do the job of keeping fasting BGs low for you? I have trouble thinking of something appetising that doesn't involve a good dollop of protein.
Don't know about that. I no longer see levels above 8 whatever I eat so what now works for me probably will not work for you.So maybe I should have had the bun with the burger after all ...
But I suspect it's never as easy as that, we are all different in our makeup and body behaviour when it comes to the nuances.
Another thing I have found, is never do any testing within an hour of having a cup of tea or coffee. Milk has quite a lot of natural sugar in it, and I have found it seems to travel fast. Not good to get up in the morning, have a cup of tea then test.
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I think Ian meant don't drink the tea straight after you have taken your first bg reading as this would affect your bg level and show up on the test you do before breakfast... I think?I agree about tea with milk affecting readings. However, I decided that as I always have and always will have a mug of tea once my meal is finished there is little point in depriving myself of it just so I can get a lower reading for my records. I may as well have the tea and record the reading, because that is the reality. I see no point in falsifying reality.
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