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Type 2 Physical work and BG levels

AdamJames said:
True, but I do think the example of athletes is enough to justify scientific enquiry into the question: "are regular periods of raised blood glucose due to exercise as damaging as the same periods of raised blood glucose due to food".
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I will go out on a limb here because I do not have the answer except to say that a glycated cell is a a glycated cell whether it is that way because it was glycated by liver dump or as a direct result of diet. Too many for too long and we end up....
 
Freema said:
I believe physical work and exercise is good and please ignore the raise , my number in the morning is higher than many other in here but my HbA1c is lower than most too and I am sure it is a due to exercise , I have stopped measuring after exercises and keep focus on gaining muscle mass and burning calories my last HbA1c was 36
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That is exactly my point, we are all different which means we have to find what suits us as individuals.
Well done on the A1c btw.
 
Guzzler said:
I will go out on a limb here because I do not have the answer except to say that a glycated cell is a a glycated cell whether it is that way because it was glycated by liver dump or as a direct result of diet. Too many for too long and we end up....
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This has just made me wonder about the difference between the way a home glucometer measures sugar in the blood, and the way an HbA1c test measures glycated hemoglobin.

Are they measuring the same thing? Is it possible that a blood sugar rise measured during a period of exercise does not always result in the same amount of glycated hemoglobin? If not then this could be one way in which the same rise in bg as measured at home does not always result in the same effect on an HbA1c result, depending on what the body was doing during the spike.

I'm being lazy in not looking this up myself but I have to leave my PC in a moment.
 
AdamJames said:
This has just made me wonder about the difference between the way a home glucometer measures sugar in the blood, and the way an HbA1c test measures glycated hemoglobin.

Are they measuring the same thing? Is it possible that a blood sugar rise measured during a period of exercise does not always result in the same amount of glycated hemoglobin? If not then this could be one way in which the same rise in bg as measured at home does not always result in the same effect on an HbA1c result, depending on what the body was doing during the spike.

I'm being lazy in not looking this up myself but I have to leave my PC in a moment.
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As we know the A1c is an average and there are some people who are outliers when it comes to the longevity of the RBCs. It is my understanding (please correct me anyone if I have misunderstood) that generally, and inthe case of poorly managed bg levels, the older the RBC the more glycated it can become.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
It was me, Guv. I picked it up wrong ;) (I was in need of my lunch) but 2 people agreed with me. :)
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I agreed because this time last year my sugars went up very easily with exercise but as time has gone on I tolerate exercise better. It made sense to me!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Indeed. The longer the RBC hangs around the more sugar will stick to it, and none of this sugar ever falls off.
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It's a good job that RBCs have a comparatively short lifespan otherwise we T2s would end up looking like an ant in a honey trap!
 
Guzzler said:
As we know the A1c is an average and there are some people who are outliers when it comes to the longevity of the RBCs. It is my understanding (please correct me anyone if I have misunderstood) that generally, and inthe case of poorly managed bg levels, the older the RBC the more glycated it can become.
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What I'm wondering is, for a given individual, does the same amount of sugar in the blood, as measured with a home glucometer, always lead to the same level of glycated hemoglobin? Or, if the home glucometer measurement was taken during exercise, is the glucose that it measures destined for a more healthy home, such as muscle cells?

I'm very out of my depth here, just spent 5 minutes Googling and I'm not entirely sure what each type of measurement is detecting and the implications.
 
Guzzler said:
As we know the A1c is an average and there are some people who are outliers when it comes to the longevity of the RBCs. It is my understanding (please correct me anyone if I have misunderstood) that generally, and inthe case of poorly managed bg levels, the older the RBC the more glycated it can become.
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Your not being fair Guzzler, I own that one! That's my excuse! :);)
Derek
 
When I had carbs in the past I went high then and exercise made me have hypoglycemia after breakfast and dinner.
Lack of insulin after carbs was not a problem but it came too late.

What I am suggesting is when some exercise with insulin resistance they use up their insulin quicker and when the blood glucose increases as the bodies demand for glucose increases their blood glucose goes up because of insulin resistance?
Derek
 
AdamJames said:
What I'm wondering is, for a given individual, does the same amount of sugar in the blood, as measured with a home glucometer, always lead to the same level of glycated hemoglobin? Or, if the home glucometer measurement was taken during exercise, is the glucose that it measures destined for a more healthy home, such as muscle cells?

I'm very out of my depth here, just spent 5 minutes Googling and I'm not entirely sure what each type of measurement is detecting and the implications.
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That makes two of us :)
 
I haven't spent much time on this, as, ironically, I've not only been out on a walk, but my car broke down today so I had to spend 50 minutes cycling to and from the walk. So I sort of hope there is some advantage to high bg levels from exercise rather than doughnuts and Netflix, otherwise I've been wasting my time, because I know what I would prefer to have been doing tonight.

But what I did learn was that glycated haemoglobin is not just a way of measuring average blood glucose, but it is a bad thing in and of itself. I'd never realised that before. As in, glycated haemoglobin causes damage / is damage.

And I don't think a home blood glucose meter is measuring the same thing - it could be measuring glucose in blood plasma which hasn't yet decided whether it's going to cause unhealthy glycated haemoglobin, or be used in a more healthy way by muscles for example.

I can't actually find anything which compares blood glucose rises during exercise to those not during exercise, but it seems reasonable to a layman that, if someone sitting down eating causes exactly the same spike as someone exercising, the glucose that's been dumped into the blood of the person exercising is more likely to be used up by the muscles during and after the exercise.
 
Remember that the aim is to remove the fat from the liver, the liver will not burn fat when it is full of glologen. Hence when a liver empties out the glologen it is good provided we don't quickly fill it up with high carb food.

The fat on the liver stops the liver responding to small changes in inslin levels, hence once inslin drops a little the liver dumps out a lot of suger. But as the fat start to get removed from the liver the dumping of sugger will greatly reduce.

High inslin levels do as much damaged if not more damage as high BG levels, But as we don't track them we think about BG to much.
 
ringi said:
Remember that the aim is to remove the fat from the liver, the liver will not burn fat when it is full of glologen. Hence when a liver empties out the glologen it is good provided we don't quickly fill it up with high carb food.

The fat on the liver stops the liver responding to small changes in inslin levels, hence once inslin drops a little the liver dumps out a lot of suger. But as the fat start to get removed from the liver the dumping of sugger will greatly reduce.

High inslin levels do as much damaged if not more damage as high BG levels, But as we don't track them we think about BG to much.
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We can control bg up to a point (and that point is different for everyone) and so by proxy the insulin responses.
 
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