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Porridge oats and spike in BG!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by oakdaledave, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. oakdaledave

    oakdaledave · Active Member

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    This morning my pre breakfast BG was 8.4. After a breakfast of I mug of coffee (skimmed milk) and a 40g portion of porridge oats made with skimmed milk my BG two hours later was 9.4 :( I thought porridge oats were good. I am starting metformin next week (500mg once a day for a week and then 500mg twice a day).

    Not before time me thinks! Bit fed up with the above results.
     
  2. Defren

    Defren · Well-Known Member

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    Few T2's could manage porridge, certainly not in any quantity. The carb value of all cereals and grains are usually quite high. Try a lower carb breakfast and see if that helps. Things like bacon and eggs, omelette with cheese, mushrooms, peppers things like that. Continental breakfasts cold meats and cheese, or berry's and Greek yogurt.

    There are also carbs in milk. I don't eat any grains or wheat, and I never touch milk, but will smother everything I can in cream, and also have cream in coffee, much better than milk.
     
  3. oakdaledave

    oakdaledave · Active Member

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    I will give the things you suggest a go. I try to do the right things, need to lose weight, I'm about 21st at the mo so thought porridge would be good. Long and bumpy journey this diabetes lark aint it lol
     
  4. Defren

    Defren · Well-Known Member

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    It certainly is. The one main piece of advice I will give you: ask questions, get answers then ask more questions. It's only by doing that I got control and lost weight, and you will to.

    Good luck - Joanna
     
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  5. didie

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    It's all a matter of trial and error.

    I eat porridge with skimmed milk every day for my breakfast and then I do some exercise and usually my post-breakfast numbers are down to my fasting numbers.

    I think it is quite fascinating how different diabetics react to different foods.
     
  6. lovinglife

    lovinglife Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I can eat porridge for my brekkie - though I don't have 40g I have 30g made with 125ml of skimmed milk and add a small dash of cream and a few berries - usually fasting of around 5.5 2hr later around 6 so I am happy with a .5 rise.

    You also need to look at where you started too, you say you were 8.4 before breakfast and 9.4 2hr later - that's only a rise of 1 so if you had been in the 5's for fasting you would have been in the 6's 2hr later. - maybe once you get on the met and your fasting numbers come down you nay be able to tolerate a smaller portion of porridge - testing and trying different portion sizes and combinations is the key to working out what YOU can eat -

    its that old age ols saying that gets quite boring but still remains true - We are all different :)
     
  7. hanadr

    hanadr · Expert

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    Thee "low fat is good" theory is not helpful to diabetics. Actually I don't think it's good for non-diabetics either :( .
    Skimmed milk has all the fat removed, which increases the concentration of sugars.
    As to porridge. Not only do Iloathe the stuff, but I can't eat it and control my BG. It'd nearly pure carbohydrate.
    If I'm in a rush, I grab a bit of cheese from the fridge for breakfast. If I have more time, I cook an egg.
    Hana
     
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  8. phoenix

    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    100ml skimmed milk has 4.9g carb
    100ml whole milk has 4.7g carb
    The difference in carb content is negligible, however for those who count calories the difference is more significant.
    100ml skimmed milk 37 cal
    100ml whole milk 66.9cal
     
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    MaryJ · Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely agree, its pretty **** amazing really.

    Mary x
     
  10. Anonymous

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    Oakdaledave,

    your 40g of porridge oats is 24g of carb without the milk. As others have noted already, it's far too high for many on here. But I have porridge every morning by mixing the oats with ground almonds (often called Almond flour on here, but sold as ground almonds in the shops).

    In the main supermarkets they only sell them in small packets, which is good enough for you to test with. I use a mix of 10g Porridge Oats and 30g Almonds and it still tastes like Porridge, but with only 7.6g carbs (6g for he oats and 1.6g for the almonds). I can tolerate this quite happily and it is very good as a long lasting breakfast, though I often have Bacon and Egg too.

    I now buy the ground almonds by the kilo from an asian supermarket. You can also add a couple of teaspoons of coconut flour, which is cheap and expands to give you much more porridge, but makes it a bit gritty and a bit coconutty.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    my doctor, diabetic nurse and diabetic specialist all have told me rough porridge for breakfast, i have no milk just water, i add blueberries and raspberries. I hope they are correct.
     
  12. Defren

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    People on a low carb diet shouldn't need to count any calories, but a splash of milk here, and a splash of milk there soon adds up and so do the carbs. If people are very carb intolerant like me, then just a few extra can make a difference to BG's.
     
  13. phoenix

    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    I really dn't think that 0.2 g will make much difference... I have almost no insulin and it isn't calculable at that level. People who eat low carb and high calorie still put one weight.

    As to the oats, those packets may very well include highly processed oats (ground fine and high GI), people are better advised to choose jumbo or steel cut oats. These have a far lower GI
     
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    0.2 per 100ml. 100ml is not a huge amount Phoenix, and pre diagnosis I could add almost that to a single cup of coffee. Add those little 0.2's up through the day. You may have no insulin, so you inject it, a lot of T2's here on the T2 forum don't have that option.

    The whole point of a low carb diet such as Atkins is to lose weight and not count calories, so I don't agree with you!
     
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    I was diagnosed on 10th May but didn't buy my meter until the end of May and was happily eating jumbo porridge oats with blueberries for breakfast as advised by the nurse.

    When I got my meter I tested 9.00 at the time before breakfast and 2 hours later I tested 15.

    I normally have either bacon, eggs, cheese, a finns cracker with pate, kippers or cold meats now at breakfast time and my before and after readings are normally between 7.9 - 8.3, it varies between these readings before food and hardly increases after but would if I ate any starchy carbs. :shock:
     
  16. Defren

    Defren · Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely Millie. Very few T2's can cope with porridge oats as they stand. People like Swimmer mix it and experiment and get the carbs down, as eating it as it is would and does effect a lot of T2's badly.
     
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    Try and look up that almond flour porridge that someone just posted today - maybe you can cope with that one.

    Almonds, flax seed, small amount of oats... and what was it more.... :?
     
  18. Anonymous

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    Flax seed changes the consistency too much - makes it all rubbery.
     
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    I had blueberrys and greek yogurt for breakfast today and it hardly put my blood sugar up at all although I do still miss toast :sick:
     
  20. oakdaledave

    oakdaledave · Active Member

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    Blimey, what a lot of interesting replies! It will take a while to try out the different combinations etc, but sure I will get there in the end!
     
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