Prediabetic level of 46 - what now?

Catherine4056

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Hello All, I've just been given the news that my levels were 46 last week so right on the edge of a full blown T2 diagnosis & though had a lovely chat about lowering carbs & going sugar-free with the nurse I don't know what else to do.
I shall be invited to a prediabetes cafe apparently which meets every 3 months but am thinking I really ought to start making changes sooner rather than later.
I have a massive mountain to climb as I am hugely overweight (BMI is 69), have depression & severe asthma so am feeling a tad overwhelmed. I've been doing a low fat diet recently & lost 2.5st through that & orlistat but if I keep taking the orlistat & switch to low carb high fat like I've read on here I'll have terrible side effects! Should I also be getting all the gear to test my glucose levels & start testing?
Help!!!
 
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Hello and welcome!

Well done on the weight loss so far. :)

You need to start properly now. A low fat diet won't help on its own. It is carbohydrate that causes all the problems, from weight issues to blood glucose issues, and many other things besides. Cutting the carbs makes sense. You don't need to eat mouthfuls of fat, just enough to balance out the lost energy from reducing the carbs. Most people start by discarding all low fat products and eating the real thing. Many low fat and low calorie products have too many carbs and too much sugar. All they don't have are fats.

You do need a blood glucose meter if you want to take control of your blood sugars and stop the progression to Type 2. Testing before and post meal helps you learn which foods are raising your levels. They are essential.

I can't comment on the Orlistat as I have no experience of it.

I'll tag @daisy1 who has some excellent and useful information for newcomers. I urge you to read her post, and also to read right round the forums.
 
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You should find that changing to a low carb diet will enable you to lose weight very easily without any medication - I do not take any tablets for diabetes as my levels have dropped down so much eating low carb foods and in just a couple of months I am no longer in the diabetic range, and I was a full blown diabetic.
Eating fat will not make you fat - you lose weight when doing low fat because you are mal nourished - you lose weight on low carb because you are not storing away the excess, which you do not need.
 
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@Catherine4056

Hello Catherine and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. In addition, in my signature you will find a link to the Low Carb Program which you might like to try. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why :)
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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You have done really well to lose the weight you have .

I believe that orilstat is medicine which blocks fat uptake so I have no idea how it would interact with a low carb high fat diet - likely to have some very unpleasant outcome. You should speak to your health professional about just going Low carb higher fat as the advantage of the higher fat is that you should feel sated so do not eat as much. The low carb helps to reduce the blood sugar. If you can add in some gentle walks then this may also help . Maybe you should suggest to your health professional that you try a couple of weeks and sees if it suits you ? If need to keep the orilstat then try and reduce carbs but you might find it a diet which is more difficult to keep to but should help the blood sugar. You do need a monitor to see which foods are worse for you as everyone seems to have different reactions to various foods.
If you do low carb do keep hydrated - with water or something equivalent and if you have little fibre in the diet try and ensure you get some fibre supplement as low carb be a bit low residual .
 

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Hello All, I've just been given the news that my levels were 46 last week so right on the edge of a full blown T2 diagnosis & though had a lovely chat about lowering carbs & going sugar-free with the nurse I don't know what else to do.
I shall be invited to a prediabetes cafe apparently which meets every 3 months but am thinking I really ought to start making changes sooner rather than later.
I have a massive mountain to climb as I am hugely overweight (BMI is 69), have depression & severe asthma so am feeling a tad overwhelmed. I've been doing a low fat diet recently & lost 2.5st through that & orlistat but if I keep taking the orlistat & switch to low carb high fat like I've read on here I'll have terrible side effects! Should I also be getting all the gear to test my glucose levels & start testing?
Help!!!


Congratulations on all of the weight loss. Managing your blood glucose levels definitely will help as I too am prediabetic, but overall in above-average health. I have been prediabetic for years and have been unable to consistently keep my levels down. I shared mobility issues like yourself and I had just been in a car accident when I realized that if I could improve my cardiovascular health I could perhaps improve my levels....When you are overweight or immobile due to illness or just budget and/or time limitations, it is very hard to spend a couple of hours to get up, drive and get to a gym or even do an hour of hard exercise. Even top athletes need a boost. So, most people need something effective without negative side effects to help them 1) get up on their feet, 2) feel motivated, 3) shed weight and build real muscle 4) reduce illness and detoxify body 5) improve performance 6) stay fit, 7) while not spending their entire income and time on it. A few minutes of deoxyhemoglobin vasodilator equals hours of exercise and if combined with exercise, the results are even more profound. I found out the hard way but I am so glad I did ...
 

Catherine4056

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Thank you everyone for your support. I shall now get equipped to test my glucose levels & I shall start the 10 week low carb programme once I'm back off my holiday as I have no idea how I'd fare when I have no control of the food on offer BUT I shall try to make more sensible choices re carbs & sugar etc. I need to see my GP when back about the low fat diet I've been on for the last 3 months so I shall discuss the prediabetes & diet choice at the same time. Rest assured this is probably the biggest wake up call I could have (bar a heart attack) so time to really sort myself out once & for all otherwise my gorgeous daughter will have a very ill mummy
 

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Welcome to the forum @Catherine4056 and well done for taking action to control your blood sugars now, before you become fully diabetic. You really need to avoid going there if you can. I wish I had taken control when I was pre-diabetic.
Reducing your carbohydrate intake should also lead to weight reduction.
Enjoy your holiday, relax, and get in the right frame of mind to take control when you get back.
 

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@Catherine4056 - I've been on orlistat in the past. Trust me, you do not want to be taking it when on a high - or even moderate - fat diet.

It works by blocking part of the absorption of fat, i.e. by making it go straight through you. The real impact is not the calories you "save" from that, but the aversion therapy of what happens when you consume a lot of fat with it. It is a tool to reinforce compliance with a low-fat diet.


If you are doing low carb, you can't also do low enough fat to cope with orlistat, not for more than a very short time anyway. You need to decide whether you are going to do low fat or low carb - and if the latter, ditch the orlistat.

Two big advantages of doing it the low carb way as compared to low fat with orlistat:

1) it will have a much better impact on your BG (and also BP, lipids, and other health conditions - that's the experience of most here)

2) it is much better for appetite control, naturally.

I wish you all the best - suggest you read up and think about it over your holiday, and make a decision of which way you're going to go when you get back.
 

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When I first did Atkins I was losing 2lb every day and going very weak and dizzy - it is very effective in reducing weight, so I would ditch the orlistat or you'll risk collapsing under the strain.
 

Growyourflow

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Hello All, I've just been given the news that my levels were 46 last week so right on the edge of a full blown T2 diagnosis & though had a lovely chat about
Thank you everyone for your support. I shall now get equipped to test my glucose levels & I shall start the 10 week low carb programme once I'm back off my holiday as I have no idea how I'd fare when I have no control of the food on offer BUT I shall try to make more sensible choices re carbs & sugar etc. I need to see my GP when back about the low fat diet I've been on for the last 3 months so I shall discuss the prediabetes & diet choice at the same time. Rest assured this is probably the biggest wake up call I could have (bar a heart attack) so time to really sort myself out once & for all otherwise my gorgeous daughter will have a very ill mummy

lowering carbs & going sugar-free with the nurse I don't know what else to do.
I shall be invited to a prediabetes cafe apparently which meets every 3 months but am thinking I really ought to start making changes sooner rather than later.
I have a massive mountain to climb as I am hugely overweight (BMI is 69), have depression & severe asthma so am feeling a tad overwhelmed. I've been doing a low fat diet recently & lost 2.5st through that & orlistat but if I keep taking the orlistat & switch to low carb high fat like I've read on here I'll have terrible side effects! Should I also be getting all the gear to test my glucose levels & start testing?
Help!!![/

Catherine... bless you for your willpower! It can be very hard to spend a couple of hours to get up, drive and get to a gym or even do an hour of hard exercise. So, most people need something effective without negative side effects to help them 1) get up on their feet, 2) feel motivated, 3) shed weight and build real muscle 4) reduce illness and detoxify body 5) improve performance 6) stay fit, 7) while not spending their entire income and time on it. A few minutes of deoxyhemoglobin vasodilator equals hours of exercise and if combined with exercise, the results are even more profound. This is simply a five minute treatment of transdermal CO2 applied right on the skin...I am pre-diabetic with chronic pain from arthritis in my lower neck and lower back, however I am an above average athlete.
Catherine/might want to check it out! Be strong!
dj
 

Growyourflow

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Hello All, I've just been given the news that my levels were 46 last week so right on the edge of a full blown T2 diagnosis & though had a lovely chat about lowering carbs & going sugar-free with the nurse I don't know what else to do.
I shall be invited to a prediabetes cafe apparently which meets every 3 months but am thinking I really ought to start making changes sooner rather than later.
I have a massive mountain to climb as I am hugely overweight (BMI is 69), have depression & severe asthma so am feeling a tad overwhelmed. I've been doing a low fat diet recently & lost 2.5st through that & orlistat but if I keep taking the orlistat & switch to low carb high fat like I've read on here I'll have terrible side effects! Should I also be getting all the gear to test my glucose levels & start testing?
Help!!!
well hello yesterday. found out I'm at 6.3 with 6.5 being diabetic.... yes to all of your questions ...do you supplement your routine with any vitamins or medical therapies to boost your metabolism?
 

Catherine4056

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well hello yesterday. found out I'm at 6.3 with 6.5 being diabetic.... yes to all of your questions ...do you supplement your routine with any vitamins or medical therapies to boost your metabolism?
Hi, I take a daily multivitamin plus a prescribed dose of both folic acid & vitamin d as I am severely deficient in both but nothing prescribed for prediabetes.
 

Catherine4056

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Thank you everyone for your support & advice. I am now in receipt of monitor & all the equipment needed to be testing regularly. My thinking is that I'll start testing so I have results to analyse at the diabetes clinic I will be invited to whenever that may be.
I also think that trying the low carb program is probably better than going low fat so time to ditch those blue pills & have butter & cream in their place!