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Protracted dawn effect numbers

Sal87

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Location
Toronto, Canada
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Insulin
At 4 a.m. I have a BG reading of say 5.7 and by noon it is more than 11.0 without my having consumed anything. I know about the dawn effect but it is very protracted and emphatic in my case. Intermittent fasting increases the effect, probably triggering liver glucose release. Do others go through this?
 
Welcome to the forum Sal. Firstly I’ll tag in @daisy1 for her useful info post in case you haven’t come across it yet.
As you have posted in the Type 2 subforum I’ll assume you are Type 2, however it would be helpful if you could fill in your profile details, Type, meds taken etc... that way you’ll get appropriate comments.
Regarding dawn phenomenon I do get it but only if I don’t eat a low carb breakfast straight away after I’ve got up, before even showering and dressing. I have a breakfast of only around 7g of carbohydrate, this gives me a 2 hours post breakfast blood sugar around the same as my fasting reading, on some days it’s actually lower!
 
I do!!!

The only way I've found to deal with it is to eat a protein and fat breakfast as early as possible. Bacon and eggs works best for me - not quite so effective (but still good) is a large chunk of cheese (brie is often carb free) or two eggs mayo made with Hellmans. I did try bulletproof coffee which also worked but found it :***::***:
 
Oh sorry, didn't see the newbie tag - welcome to the forum!! :)
 
Previously, yes. Very much so indeed. The solution, for me, was laying the smack down on insulin resistance through a ruthless strategy of dietary control. It took a long time to fix myself, but then I was so insulin resistant that if you cut me open you could probably have pulled out handfuls of candy floss.
 
Breakfast of protein and fats plus about 10 gm of carb - then I eat again about 12 hours later.
I need to reassure my metabolism that I have not started a low calorie diet whilst keeping carbs under control.
 
I just wanted to add to the great comments above...
There are two things which do/can impact us in the morning and both can be called "Dawn Phenomenon".
The first is our body preparing for us to get up and release a load of glucose.
The other (which is sometimes called "foot on the floor") is when our body notices that we have stated moving and dumps a load of glucose to keep us going. Our bodies do something similar when we start exercising and is one reason why stop-start exercises (like HIIT) can cause a BG rise.
Some people experience one of these, some neither but quite a few of us experience both and this appear like a long drawn out Dawn Phenomenon.

The suggestions from the guys with type 2 diabetes are probably more applicable than I can offer ... as I have type 1 and treat these phenomena differently.
 
@Sal87
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it both interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 600,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

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The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
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Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

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The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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