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douglas99 · Mar 10, 2014

AnnieC said:
Don't think I will be changing from low fat any time soon as it suits me and I don't think my body needs saturated animal fat but everyone to their own opinion.....

I agree with you, Dr DiNicolantonio's opinion doesn't really say anything new.
But olive oil and rice bran oil seem to fit the bill ok.

AnnieC · Mar 11, 2014

douglas99 said:
I agree with you, Dr DiNicolantonio's opinion doesn't really say anything new.
But olive oil and rice bran oil seem to fit the bill ok.

Yes the good oils must be better sources of fats

AnnieC · Mar 11, 2014

modesty007 said:
Be careful with other oils than olive oil, coconut oil, avocado and nut oils as their omega 6 content is high and cause inflammation in the body (the main reason for CVD)

Then what oils do you use ??

douglas99 · Mar 11, 2014

I would have said oily fish is a good choice, but after allowing for the factory farming, the chemical contamination, and the genetic modifications, even fresh fish isn't a safe bet any more.

Dillinger · Mar 13, 2014

You know how when we talk about low carb and high fat there often comes a post that says 'the problem with all of this is that there are no studies on the safety or efficacy of a low carb diet'? I completely agree, apart from these ones;

http://levelfoods.com/sites/default/files/LL_PublishedSupportingResearch.pdf

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tonyS54 · Mar 13, 2014

Dillinger said:
You know how when we talk about low carb and high fat there often comes a post that says 'the problem with all of this is that there are no studies on the safety or efficacy of a low carb diet'? I completely agree, apart from these ones;

http://levelfoods.com/sites/default/files/LL_PublishedSupportingResearch.pdf

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That's a comprehensive list of low carb studies, I never seen so many at one site good for future reference thanks.

Dillinger · Mar 13, 2014

It actually belongs to @borofergie - it's a great list isn't it?

Scandichic · Mar 13, 2014

Dillinger said:
You know how when we talk about low carb and high fat there often comes a post that says 'the problem with all of this is that there are no studies on the safety or efficacy of a low carb diet'? I completely agree, apart from these ones;

http://levelfoods.com/sites/default/files/LL_PublishedSupportingResearch.pdf

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Dillinger

You are a total star! I have my first hospital appointment tomorrow. I will look forward to quoting this to my dn tomorrow. I think I can sadly predict her response if the last dn was anything to go by! Wish my doctor would deign to read this! Lol!

donnellysdogs · Mar 14, 2014

How come the shelves are stuffed full of skimmed and semi skimmed milk.. When did that actually start?

I'm not convinced that semi skimmed milk is actually better than whole milk since all this info coming out about low fat/fat etc.

Do others here on low carb diets drink semi or skimmed milk or wholesome milk. I loved full fat jersey milk and would have that willingly rather than the other types..

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Totto · Mar 14, 2014

donnellysdogs said:
How come the shelves are stuffed full of skimmed and semi skimmed milk.. When did that actually start?

I'm not convinced that semi skimmed milk is actually better than whole milk since all this info coming out about low fat/fat etc.

Do others here on low carb diets drink semi or skimmed milk or wholesome milk. I loved full fat jersey milk and would have that willingly rather than the other types..

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I can´t speak for others, but I buy milk from a nearby farm, not an organic farm but they only have 17 cows so it is certainly low-scale. One or maybe two of the cows are jersey and the milk is lovely. And with a rather high fat content.

I avoid all low-fat products. I see no reason at all to avoid fat. But that is me. I aim for a HbA1c of 30.

donnellysdogs · Mar 14, 2014

I dont limit fat on anything else... Double cream, clotted cream, butter etc but I wondered why on earth I joined the bandwagon of semi skimmed milk drinkers when I so enjoyed full fat milk. I'm sure its because there's just so much space given to these products on the shelves nowadays....

Would love to know what others feel about milk density....

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Totto · Mar 14, 2014

Unfortunately I cant drink much milk as my meter tells me I go high. When I do drink milk I go for as high in fat as I can find to make up for the carbs. Low-fat always was rather unappealing, not to say disgusting.

zand · Mar 14, 2014

I buy organic whole milk. I gave up using skimmed around 8 years ago, I go for taste now as I feel less hungry if I am enjoying what I eat.

kesun · Mar 14, 2014

donnellysdogs said:
How come the shelves are stuffed full of skimmed and semi skimmed milk.. When did that actually start?

I think it started in the early 80s with the whole low-fat movement. I remember doing an A-level translation about how everyone had been wrong to think that "bread makes you fat", because in fact it was the butter, not the bread. (I don't mean that an exam paper changed the world, just that it was symptomatic of what was topical at the time.) It was after that that I noticed semi-skimmed and skimmed milk in the shops.

The only time I buy low-fat now is when I accidentally take a carton from the main section because I fail to spot the tiny niche offering of full-fat. Or when I forget that whereas in Supermarket A the full-fat is blue and the low-fat green, in Supermarket B it is the other way round.

Like @Totto I can't manage milk, even Jersey,without a BG spike, but the least I can do is feed the healthy stuff to my children. And I do consume lots of double cream and full-fat cheeses. If that old exam paper were right, I'd be as big as a bus!

Kate

AnnieC · Mar 14, 2014

I don't have much milk just a little in two or three cups of tea a day but what I do have is semi skimmed I have done a low fat diet now for nearly 10 years never eat red meat only have chicken and fish and I have not read or heard anything yet that will convince me full fat of anything would be better for me but thats just my opinion relating to me only I do read labels and it does not always mean that low fat means higher sugar I compare low against full fat and do not buy any low fat that is higher in sugar than the full fat version but I don't buy the fruit yogurts I am nearly 75 prediabetic for some years and otherwise in good health and no mobility problems my diet suits me so I have no reason to change it

newt420 · Mar 14, 2014

you could try lactolite whole milk. It has half the sugar of normal milk

Thommothebear · Mar 14, 2014

donnellysdogs said:
How come the shelves are stuffed full of skimmed and semi skimmed milk.. When did that actually start?

I'm not convinced that semi skimmed milk is actually better than whole milk since all this info coming out about low fat/fat etc.

Do others here on low carb diets drink semi or skimmed milk or wholesome milk. I loved full fat jersey milk and would have that willingly rather than the other types..

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Mrs Bear and I get through only around 2 pints of milk between us each week, I only have a small amount in a coffee first thing, no more than that each day, so as Semi skimmed seems to keep rather better than full fat milk thats what we keep in the fridge. If I used more I would probably buy full fat, but it would more likely go off before it got used.

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paul-1976 · Mar 14, 2014

Thommothebear said:
Mrs Bear and I get through only around 2 pints of milk between us each week, I only have a small amount in a coffee first thing, no more than that each day, so as Semi skimmed seems to keep rather better than full fat milk thats what we keep in the fridge. If I used more I would probably buy full fat, but it would more likely go off before it got used.

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Surprisingly,milk does freeze well so that might be worth a go if you wanted to use full fat without any waste and just defrost a 1 pint carton as and when you need it.

Mud Island Dweller · Mar 14, 2014

Buy a tub of cream l used a tablespoon/drink but you can buy various sized tubs of single cream. And not much carbs

borofergie · Mar 14, 2014

It really is very difficult to imagine how animal fat could be bad for you, since for 2.5 million our ancestors were mainly top level carnivore Hunter Gatherers. Our evolutionary diet is based around eating the whole animal, including all the really fatty bits none of us eat today.

There is no scientific evidence that links saturated fat directly to heart disease. It was only ever based on the observation that:
(1) Saturated fat causes a rise in cholesterol
(2) High cholesterol is associated with cardiovascular disease.

The trouble is that (1) is only true over the very short term (in people that don't have familial hypercholesterolemia), and that (2) has largely been debunked now that we know more about different types of blood lipids and their influence on CV disease.

Whereas low-fat diets are generally more effective for reducing LDL, dietary carbohydrate is the strongly correlated with small dense LDL which are considered more atherogenic and carbohydrate restriction is the most effective method of lowering triglycerides and raising HDL.

http://feinmantheother.com/articles...treatment-of-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome/

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