Prediabetes Recommend Protein Shakes

JayneJordon

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Hi there I'm new to this, haven't been diagnosed officially yet but my fasting glucose levels were 7.5 so am awaiting my next results to confirm my status.
I have been controlling my levels with diet and exercise however... running and eating low carb
I was hoping to use a protein shake to lose the weight and get into shape
And was wondering if anyone has a good recommendation for me ... I'm female btw ! Thanking you all in advance this site has been a God send for me x
 

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Hi there I'm new to this, haven't been diagnosed officially yet but my fasting glucose levels were 7.5 so am awaiting my next results to confirm my status.
I have been controlling my levels with diet and exercise however... running and eating low carb
I was hoping to use a protein shake to lose the weight and get into shape
And was wondering if anyone has a good recommendation for me ... I'm female btw ! Thanking you all in advance this site has been a God send for me x
Don't trust protein shakes as you do not know what is in their make up. You are a diabetic, so you need to know what you are consuming and how it responds to your metabolism. Control is the key, knowledge if what you ingest is very important. Don't rely on lables and advertising, these will lead you astray.
 

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my sugars are spiking again first check of the day is 30+ !!
 

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Hi there I'm new to this, haven't been diagnosed officially yet but my fasting glucose levels were 7.5 so am awaiting my next results to confirm my status.
I have been controlling my levels with diet and exercise however... running and eating low carb
I was hoping to use a protein shake to lose the weight and get into shape
And was wondering if anyone has a good recommendation for me ... I'm female btw ! Thanking you all in advance this site has been a God send for me x
Just in case you have not seen the Starter Pack of info, I am tagging @daisy1 I asked my Holland & Barrett manager what he would advise for a diabetic trying low carb, and he was adamant that fitness products such as protein shakes, whey products and nutri bars were not suitable and could be harmful, I left empty handed since we could not find a single product that I could usefully use. Even their peanuts had been doctored.

Too much protein can be harmful and cause damage to the kidneys, The diet I am on (LCHF) recommends a moderate protein intake of around 1 gm per 1kg body weight per day. Note that protein is similar to carbs in that it can increase the blood glucose levels but at a slower rate. It can give surprise sugar bumps some time after a meal has been eaten if it is high protein.

It seems counter-intuitive that the LCHF diet uses fat intake as a means of controlling weight since it does not increase bgl. I would suggest that a bit of research into LCHF as the success stories being reported support this diet for A) controlling BGL, and B) weight loss/ fat reduction.
 
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Don't trust protein shakes as you do not know what is in their make up. You are a diabetic, so you need to know what you are consuming and how it responds to your metabolism. Control is the key, knowledge if what you ingest is very important. Don't rely on lables and advertising, these will lead you astray.

Thanks for your help as I say I'm completely uncoached until I get to my appointment next week
 

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Just in case you have not seen the Starter Pack of info, I am tagging @daisy1 I asked my Holland & Barrett manager what he would advise for a diabetic trying low carb, and he was adamant that fitness products such as protein shakes, whey products and nutri bars were not suitable and could be harmful, I left empty handed since we could not find a single product that I could usefully use. Even their peanuts had been doctored.

Too much protein can be harmful and cause damage to the kidneys, The diet I am on (LCHF) recommends a moderate protein intake of around 1 gm per 1kg body weight per day. Note that protein is similar to carbs in that it can increase the blood glucose levels but at a slower rate. It can give surprise sugar bumps some time after a meal has been eaten if it is high protein.

It seems counter-intuitive that the LCHF diet uses fat intake as a means of controlling weight since it does not increase bgl. I would suggest that a bit of research into LCHF as the success stories being reported support this diet for A) controlling BGL, and B) weight loss/ fat reduction.

Thanks for your help this is all extremely confusing but you have persuaded me to stay away from the shakes and change my diet
 

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I blend an avocardo a handful of almonds ( or almond flour) peanut butter ( tablespoon or less) +, adding a few drops of vanilla essense a packet of stevia sweetning , cream ( 1/4 cup) + water (3/4 pint ) and a small handful of berries. It does not affect my blood glucose levels and is delicious. I've tried variations on this and all are good, even just the blended almonds and water which is where I started as I wanted a sugar free almond milk. Re peanut butter, you do have to read the labels very carefully,! Asda sell one which is 100% peanuts, most have sugar , salt , palm fat etc which I avoid.
 

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I blend an avocardo a handful of almonds ( or almond flour) peanut butter ( tablespoon or less) +, adding a few drops of vanilla essense a packet of stevia sweetning , cream ( 1/4 cup) + water (3/4 pint ) and a small handful of berries. It does not affect my blood glucose levels and is delicious. I've tried variations on this and all are good, even just the blended almonds and water which is where I started as I wanted a sugar free almond milk. Re peanut butter, you do have to read the labels very carefully,! Asda sell one which is 100% peanuts, most have sugar , salt , palm fat etc which I avoid.
sounds bloody nice . i have avocardo didnt like them now i find it nice good for burning belly fat .
 

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Thanks for your help this is all extremely confusing but you have persuaded me to stay away from the shakes and change my diet
Only change when you have researched it well, and understand the 'mechanics' behind it. I took a while to get comfortable with the science before I entered my new lifestyle, and I have been doing it solidly for over 2 years now ( XMAS and Easter Bunny Time exempted)

The Protein shakes are aimed at Body Builders and extreme athletes, rather than the general populace, which gives a clue I think. They are used to bulk up muscle, and thus promote weight gain. LC dieting makes more sense for a diabetic.
 

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From my own experience a couple of eggs, scrambled, a bit of grated cheese and a small tomato finely sliced - with a pinch of salt in this hot weather, are a much beter option for weight loss.
It might take a while to take effect due to the metabolic changes associated with diabetes, but low carb is a very effective way to lose weight - it is the only way of eating which keeps my weight from increasing, but it also alters my shape - my waist is getting smaller and smaller and I keep having to buy new clothes or dig out clothes I grew out of.
 
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Thanks for your help as I say I'm completely uncoached until I get to my appointment next week

Don't be surprised if your "coach" tells you to eat plenty of carbs with every meal and low fat. This is the current NHS guidance, and is totally out of date and wrong for T2 diabetics. It is the same diet they recommend for the general population. If this happens, just nod and ignore. The reason being all carbs, including wholemeal, convert to glucose once inside the body, and as too much glucose is our problem, it makes good sense not to eat it! You may be lucky and find your nurse is one of the few enlightened ones. I do hope so.

You may also be told not to self test. Most of us are. Again, nod and ignore. Self testing is the most important part of self management. Without it we are working blind.
 
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From my own experience a couple of eggs, scrambled, a bit of grated cheese and a small tomato finely sliced - with a pinch of salt in this hot weather, are a much beter option for weight loss.
It might take a while to take effect due to the metabolic changes associated with diabetes, but low carb is a very effective way to lose weight - it is the only way of eating which keeps my weight from increasing, but it also alters my shape - my waist is getting smaller and smaller and I keep having to buy new clothes or dig out clothes I grew out of.

Sounds good to me, I was on the Atkins several years ago (very similar) people told us how bad it was so I came off it... wish I hadn't listened I would be in my loft wardrobe by now
Thanks for your help
 

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Don't trust protein shakes as you do not know what is in their make up. You are a diabetic, so you need to know what you are consuming and how it responds to your metabolism. Control is the key, knowledge if what you ingest is very important. Don't rely on lables and advertising, these will lead you astray.

Thank you I will stay away for sure
 
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Sounds good to me, I was on the Atkins several years ago (very similar) people told us how bad it was so I came off it... wish I hadn't listened I would be in my loft wardrobe by now
Thanks for your help
I plan to knit a jersey with 'Dr Atkins was right' on the back - in a Medium size. I have dropped from XXL to L in 6 months, so it should not be long before I'll need it
 

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sounds bloody nice . i have avocardo didnt like them now i find it nice good for burning belly fat .
Advos are the best but you have to buy them a few days in advance and ripen them up a bit first, even the "ready to eat" ones taste better with a few extra days at home
 
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I've done my own version of Atkins for 25+ years anencephaly always feel my best on his induction phase of 20 c or less per day all in veggies.

I don't eat as much protein as he allows as it quickly turns to bs for me anencephaly I've found healthier food options than some of his frankenfoods and low carb breads.
I have maintained a great weight and health ( other than diabetes but it wasn't what I ate or didn't exercise) ever since. I would love one of those shirts!!
 

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@JayneJordon

Hello Jayne and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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@JayneJordon

Hello Jayne and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.

Thankyou x
 

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Hi @JayneJordon,

I agree with the comments above - a lower carb diet, high in good fats, with a moderate protein intake is best - and always from natural and wholesome foods. Exercise is key to managing diabetes, and pre-diabetes - even a brisk walk every day genuinely does make a huge difference. I would steer clear of protein shakes myself - they are heavily marketed, and are of dubious use, even to serious bodybuilders!
 
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