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Reducing our carbon footprint BY dairy farming...

Discussion in 'Low-carb Diet Forum' started by pdmjoker, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Actually water vapour is the biggest culprit by far. It is the one noone recognises as a GHG but it is the worst. We use and waste water like there is no tomorrow. But it is precious and we need to consider how our profligate use is anthropogeneic as well. What we should be doing with it is actually to creat a national grid like the electric asupplies, and then use excess electricity to pump water into hydrolelectric dams for storage purposes. We should not be wasting lithium on batteries to store excess wind power, we should use water.

    BTW: most methane lasts 10 years max in the atmosphere. What we should be doing is cap landfill and sewage works to capture the methane and burn it for fuel. they do this successfully in Amsterdam, so why not here in UK? On a more sombre note, why not use crematorium flue output for local heating. I for one would happily donate when my time comes. My local authority has no incinerator for burning waste, so it is shipped abroad at vast environmental cost. We should be burning plastic and paper waste and captuing the CO2 etc properly. The technology is here today, but the investment is not.

    I am disgusted that my waste bin each week is 85% filled with useless packaging that I would dearly love to recycle for the planert, but cannot, there are things that I can recycle only by transporting them to the landfill site, such as batteries, but it is impossible on a mobility scooter, and a car journey would totally negate the carbon footprint gain.
     
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    #21 Oldvatr, Jan 25, 2020 at 12:27 AM
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Our local pastie emporium also went bust last week. They converted their production to be fully vegan friendly, so their cheeze and onion pasties used non animal products. They also changed all their main lines such as sausage rolls and cornish pasties over to Quorn based alternativs, but kept the change hidden. If you asked the staff which were vegan they would say all of it, including the cream eclairs and donuts. But it was not advertised or identified on the products. Needless to say they lost most of their business (me included) and went to the wall.
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_methane

    What is not explained is that when methane absobs heat it starts to decompose naturally and gives up hydroxyl pairs (water vapour) which is why a midden smells more when its foggy and cold, but is not noticeable when it is a warm day. Its gone,

    Shelf life of Methane is currenly 9,1 years on average according to WHO.
     
  4. Listlad

    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Cows sheep and goats :D . I see a lot of sheep cheese and goat cheese being produced.
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    After a decade, methane is broken down into CO2, entering a carbon cycle which sees the gas absorbed by plants, converted into cellulose, and eaten by livestock.
     
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    AloeSvea Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    @lucylocket61, @ianf0ster and @Oldvatr - most people in the world are not tolerant of dairy products

    "By adulthood, up to 70% of people no longer produce enough lactase to properly digest the lactose in milk, leading to symptoms when they consume dairy. This is particularly common for people of non-European descent." (healthline)

    There are pockets of folks all over the world who have developed the tolerance of dairy over generations, but they are by far the minority, is my understanding.
     
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  7. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    By the same token approx 60% of population is intolerant of soy. See also gluten intolerance. etc. So we will not please everybody. But to remove any of these food sources by enforcing change is wrong in my view, At the moment we are facing losing all animal products from the food chain, or at the best having a token beef pattie once a month and half a fish fillet on occasions. This too is not a viable solution either. And it is more idiology driven than practical.
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Everything in the press and reports etc talks about climate, not population. Population is dropping and expected to plateau soon.
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    When agricultural switches to mainly plant production, won't we need more available land to grow both the extra plant foods (as we will need to eat more to get enough nutrition) and the fertilizer crops?

    Given the rate building house is going, with more still needed, plus the related infrastructure, where is all this land coming from?

    Much of the land used for sheep is unsuitable for even housing.

    And then there is the difference in grass height needed for various ruminants to be able to eat it.
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but that often means just milk. When I dug deeper into the research it also said that most population have some sort of cheese or yoghurt or fermented milk products in their regular diet, which changes the lactose into a digestible source.

    This includes cows, sheep, buffalo and goats cheese etc. Foods which have been around most of the world for millennia.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    I really don't think it is..
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The rate of increase is dropping.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    That may be correct..x
     
  14. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Today is the first time the UK Citizens Assembly for Climate Change takes place in Brmingham. It will reconvene again over the next 4 weekends. Apparently 100 delegates have been invited to the meetings with the Government Climate Change Comittee to formulate a forward plan to implementation of measures to reduce GHG to zero by 2050. No idea who is going to it, but it is clear from the spox on TV just now that scientists and experienced experts will not be present. Hopefully there will be some reports coming out of these meetings. Then we will see what they intend for the agriculture sectors. Seems that Extinction Rebellion did not get an invite so expect fireworks to erupt soon. The cows will learn their fate in due course, but there is COP 26 in Glasgow later this year to make it formal. That seems to be the timescale.

    Edit to update: just seen the Extinction Rebellion reply, and that is that they no longer accept the 2050 date, and indeed are now rejecting the 2030 date, but are going to raise merry disruption to make it happen by 2025 at the latest.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    Won't that mean we'll all be dead?
    CO2 being essential for plants to grow etc etc...
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Well, like I said, we cannot debate methane and global warming without including geologically derived hydrocarbons in the debate. The debate is hamstrung otherwise.

    Some predict a tailing off of the population increase but it is still increasing as we speak, is it not?
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    Yes, the rate of increase is dropping.
     
  18. Jim Lahey

    Jim Lahey I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It's probably a bitter twist of irony that we desperately need the brakes put on population growth, and yet it is all but assured by the preposterous dietary path we are currently walking. Lord only knows how many of us there would be walking the Earth if we combined modern treatment of acute illnesses, with a switch to slashing chronic disease by eating food instead of human kibble in shiny boxes. One trillion?

    That meteor is long overdue :shifty:
     
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    Listlad Prediabetes · BANNED

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    #39 Listlad, Jan 25, 2020 at 6:16 PM
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    Tipetoo Type 2 · Expert

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    The problem could well be solved in the next month or so if the "corona virus" goes viral (pun intended).

    If it gets going in China (it's got a foot hold), India inc Pakistan, Bangladesh, Africa mainly the north east side into a good old pandemic like the 1918 influenza one, this will reduce the population so that it balances things out...
     
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