Type 2 Remove pancreas fat

[RyanTran]

I have made good progress in controlling the glucose level by following the vegetables diet, but not making any progress in removing the pancreas fat in doing random fasting. I fast about 18 hours on the week end (Sat and Sunday) for about 2 months now. I lost about13 lbs but I see no sign of reverse diabetes because I measure my blood level daily. Can you suggest a working plan. Thanks.

 

[yycdordor]

Hi there, well done on losing 13lbs, my suggestion would be add some exercise on top of your diet. As organ fat is hard to loss it without regular exercise. Keep up the good work ☺

 

[uart]

I have made good progress in controlling the glucose level by following the vegetables diet, but not making any progress in removing the pancreas fat.

...I lost about13 lbs but I see no sign of reverse diabetes because I measure my blood level daily. Can you suggest a working plan.

Hello Ryan. Do you actually know where you have lost that 13 lbs from, and that your pancreas is still fatty? I mean have you had scans or something to confirm that, or is it just an assumption.

One crazy (whoops I mean very motivated) guy here fasted, a total water only fast, for weeks at a time over a period of many months. He lost weight until he was almost dangerously underweight (lower end of safe BMI), and he still had T2 diabetes! Not everyone can "reverse" their diabetes via weight loss.

 

[Brunneria]

Totally agree @uart

The lucky ones (I think Professor Taylor of the Newcastle Diet has shown it is abour 43% of people using the ND) will reverse once they go below their personal fat threshold. But unfortunately without liver scans, none of us know how much fat we have on the liver, and where our personal fat threshold is. Plus, it is very likely that our PFTs move around over time, as we become more or less fit and muscley, and as our bodies become less efficient with age.

Aiming for reversal is a wonderful goal, but don't pin all your hopes on it. Just enjoy the weight loss, increased well being, and if reversal happens, then you can see it as a brilliant extra bonus, and be overjoyed.

 

[chri5]

Hi, I had a liver scan some time ago as a result of a disagreement between Doc and myself ( liver enzymes were high, he said fatty liver I said statin side effects .... I was right) it showed NO fatty liver but didn`t affect the fact I`m still diabetic.

 

[Roytaylorjasonfunglover]

Hello Ryan. Do you actually know where you have lost that 13 lbs from, and that your pancreas is still fatty? I mean have you had scans or something to confirm that, or is it just an assumption.

One crazy (whoops I mean very motivated) guy here fasted, a total water only fast, for weeks at a time over a period of many months. He lost weight until he was almost dangerously underweight (lower end of safe BMI), and he still had T2 diabetes! Not everyone can "reverse" their diabetes via weight loss.

Can you give a link to the thread? I agree that not everybody can reverse thir diabetes, but some people are very unlucky with their genes. They may forstance have diabetes at a bmi of 22, buth get normal sugars at 19. And also bmi is just a number.

Harry Kane is one of the best english footballers at the moment, born in 1993 he is 188cm and 65 kg, giving him a bmi of 18.5, which is just under the limit of a healthy bmi according to guidelines, so it is every individual.

 

[uart]

Hi RTJFL, see these posts by member Walleed:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/trying-so-willfully-to-come-off-t2dm.85896/
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/trying-so-willfully-to-come-off-type-2-diabetes.88563/

Don't get me wrong, I really believe weight loss is useful in managing diabetes. Where I see a problem however is that there's a public perception that it (weight) is pretty much the *only* thing involved, and that feeds pretty neatly into the "your T2 diabetes is all your own stupid fault" type of attitude that many of us T2's have been subject to.

Also remember that some people have had insulin resistance and hyper insulin production for years or even decades before being diagnosed, and often by then their pancreas is burnt out and poorly functioning almost like a T1.

 

[SunnyExpat]

About 85% of diabetics are overweight.

So whether being overweight leads to diabetes, or diabetes leads to being overweight, losing weight can't hurt the majority.

I believe I was in the first group, and I lost enough weight to put my diabetes into remission.

 

[Roytaylorjasonfunglover]

Hi RTJFL, see these posts by member Walleed:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/trying-so-willfully-to-come-off-t2dm.85896/
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/trying-so-willfully-to-come-off-type-2-diabetes.88563/

Don't get me wrong, I really believe weight loss is useful in managing diabetes. Where I see a problem however is that there's a public perception that it (weight) is pretty much the *only* thing involved, and that feeds pretty neatly into the "your T2 diabetes is all your own stupid fault" type of attitude that many of us T2's have been subject to.

Also remember that some people have had insulin resistance and hyper insulin production for years or even decades before being diagnosed, and often by then their pancreas is burnt out and poorly functioning almost like a T1.

Yes I agree, Walleed seems to be some sort of type 1.5 or one of the rarer types of type 2. I think those are the ones most let down by the research community, most healthcare personel just does not know enough about them.

The time aspect in type 2 is also important. Some may be able to see improvement on a newcastle diet even after 10 years, others not, and this is probably very invidual for everyone.

 

[muzza3]

Can you suggest a working plan. Thanks.

Hi Ryan
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on losing the 13lbs and in controlling your BG Levels.

This is the plan that I followed closely based on the Newcastle diet which is the diet on which the reversal claims were based

Newcastle Diet (Each day for eight weeks)

Breakfast 1 x Protein Shake 200-210 calories (including milk if used to mix it)
Lunch 1 x Protein Shake 200-210 calories (including milk if used to mix it)
Early Dinner 1 x Protein Shake 200-210 calories (including milk if used to mix it)
Dinner 200- 210 calories of vegetables (however you want them)

Check your BG every morning before you eat
Check your weight every morning before you eat or drink but record once a week

No Fasting required (you will be hungry at times anyway)

I was tested the week I finished the diet and my HbA1c was 41 down from 95. (Weight-loss 16 kg or 36lb) I have stopped taking Metformin and my FBG are in the normal levels. While I believe I am a HbA1c away from claiming a reversal the results for me have been sensational.

As others have pointed out there is no guarantees that this will work for anyone but it is what I have done.

Cheers

 

[JohnEGreen]

Breakfast 1 x Protein Shake 200-210 calories (including milk if used to mix it)
Lunch 1 x Protein Shake 200-210 calories (including milk if used to mix it)
Early Dinner 1 x Protein Shake 200-210 calories (including milk if used to mix it)
Dinner 200- 210 calories of vegetables (however you want them)

Wow that's about 200 calories a day more than I've been eating for the last six months might try it and pig out for a few weeks.

 

[chri5]

It must have been your post I read that resulted in me searching google for scanning services. I found a bunch, some I linked in this thread: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/post-newcastle-diet-liver-scan.99937/
If you don't mind me asking - what did you pay and how detailed were the results / discussion of results? And did you GP offer to interpret / review them with you?

Hi, I didn`t have to pay , it was on the NHS. The scan was one of those hand held things that they use on pregnant women, think it`s called ultrasound or something. I never actually got to see the result, I was just told it was normal i.e. no fatty liver. Sorry I can`t be of more help.

 

[Daibell]

Hi. I would simply say if you need to reduce insulin resistance whether it is due to fat in the liver, pancreas or muscles then reducing the carbs normally works well based on many posts on these forums. Personally I would forget these 'special' diets but some would disagree and obviously you have had some good results. If your blood sugar still stays up then either carry on what your are doing and just check your daily carb total as it's the carbs that result in raised blood sugar.

 

[Cauliflower_rice]

Hi. I would simply say if you need to reduce insulin resistance whether it is due to fat in the liver, pancreas or muscles then reducing the carbs normally works well based on many posts on these forums. Personally I would forget these 'special' diets but some would disagree and obviously you have had some good results. If your blood sugar still stays up then either carry on what your are doing and just check your daily carb total as it's the carbs that result in raised blood sugar.

I unit of insulin reduces my bg by 2.8 mmoll (dx last year as T1 at 48) is this insulin resistance? Im on a v low carb diet ... just weaning myself off, cream and butter.... to see how it impacts on insulin sensitivity...